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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/10] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 17:49:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160305164900.GX6356@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0jh7qcmYjDXCdO3Pid4XyuuxQfsKAmWDLXYcrkx0t-phw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 05, 2016 at 12:18:54AM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> >>> Even if there are platforms which may change the CPU frequency behind
> >>> cpufreq's back, breaking the transition notifiers, I'm worried about the
> >>> addition of an interface which itself breaks them. The platforms which
> >>> do change CPU frequency on their own have probably evolved to live with
> >>> or work around this behavior. As other platforms migrate to fast
> >>> frequency switching they might be surprised when things don't work as
> >>> advertised.

There's only 43 sites of cpufreq_register_notifier in 37 files, that
should be fairly simple to audit.

> >>> I'm not sure what the easiest way to deal with this is. I see the
> >>> transition notifiers are the srcu type, which I understand to be
> >>> blocking. Going through the tree and reworking everyone's callbacks and
> >>> changing the type to atomic is obviously not realistic.
> >>
> >> Right.

Even if it was (and per the above it looks entirely feasible), that's
just not going to happen. We're not ever going to call random notifier
crap from this deep within the scheduler.

> >>> How about modifying cpufreq_register_notifier to return an error if the
> >>> driver has a fast_switch callback installed and an attempt to register a
> >>> transition notifier is made?
> >>
> >> That sounds like a good idea.

Agreed, fail the stuff hard.

Simply make cpufreq_register_notifier a __must_check function and add
error handling to all call sites.

> > I guess what might be done would be to spawn a work item to carry out
> > a notify when the frequency changes.
> 
> In fact, the mechanism may be relatively simple if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> In the "fast switch" case, the governor may spawn a work item that
> will just execute cpufreq_get() on policy->cpu.  That will notice that
> policy->cur is different from the real current frequency and will
> re-adjust.
> 
> Of course, cpufreq_driver_fast_switch() will need to be modified so it
> doesn't update policy->cur then perhaps with a comment that the
> governor using it will be responsible for that.

No no no, that's just horrible. Why would you want to keep this
notification stuff alive? If your platform can change frequency 'fast'
you don't want notifiers.

What's the point of a notification that says: "At some point in the
random past my frequency has changed, and it likely has changed again
since then, do 'something'."

That's pointless. If you have dependent clock domains or whatever, you
simply _cannot_ be fast.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-05 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02  1:56 [PATCH 0/6] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02  2:04 ` [PATCH 1/6] cpufreq: Reduce cpufreq_update_util() overhead a bit Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  5:48   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-03 11:47   ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 13:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-02  2:05 ` [PATCH 2/6][Resend] cpufreq: acpi-cpufreq: Make read and write operations more efficient Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02  2:08 ` [PATCH 3/6] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  5:53   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-03 19:26     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:49       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-02  2:10 ` [PATCH 4/6] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_tunables code to a seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  6:03   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-02  2:12 ` [PATCH 5/6] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  6:00   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  2:15     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 11:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 20:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 21:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 19:39     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02  2:27 ` [PATCH 6/6] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02 17:10   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-02 17:58     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02 22:49       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 12:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 12:32           ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 16:24           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 16:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 16:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-04  1:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 16:55               ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 16:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 17:14                   ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 14:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-03 15:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 16:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 16:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 17:28               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-03 18:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 19:14                   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-08 13:09                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 18:58               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 13:07       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-03 20:06         ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-03 20:20           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 21:37             ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-07  2:41               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08 11:27                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-08 18:00                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08 19:26                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-08 20:05                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 10:15                         ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-09 23:41                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  4:30                             ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-10 21:01                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10 23:19                             ` Michael Turquette
2016-03-09 16:39                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 23:28                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  3:44                             ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-10 10:07                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-10 10:26                                 ` Vincent Guittot
     [not found]                                 ` <CAKfTPtCbjgbJn+68NJPCnmPFtcHD0wGmZRYaw37zSqPXNpo_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-10 10:30                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-10 10:56                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-10 22:28                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  8:43                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-04  2:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/10] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  2:58   ` [PATCH v2 1/10] cpufreq: Reduce cpufreq_update_util() overhead a bit Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 12:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 14:17       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 15:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 21:35           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  9:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-04  2:59   ` [PATCH v2 2/10][Resend] cpufreq: acpi-cpufreq: Make read and write operations more efficient Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:01   ` [PATCH v2 3/10] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:52     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  3:03   ` [PATCH v2 4/10] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_attr_set code to seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:52     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  3:05   ` [PATCH v2 5/10] cpufreq: Move governor attribute set headers to cpufreq.h Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:53     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  3:07   ` [PATCH v2 6/10] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 22:18     ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-04 22:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 22:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 23:18           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 23:56             ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-05  0:18               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-05 11:58                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-05 16:49             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-03-06  2:17               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-07  8:00                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-07 13:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-07 13:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-07 13:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 22:58         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 23:59           ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-04  3:12   ` [PATCH v2 7/10] cpufreq: Rework the scheduler hooks for triggering updates Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:14   ` [PATCH v2 8/10] cpufreq: Move scheduler-related code to the sched directory Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:18   ` [PATCH v2 9/10] cpufreq: sched: Re-introduce cpufreq_update_util() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 10:50     ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-04 12:58       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 13:30     ` [PATCH v3 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 21:21       ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-04 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 21:36           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:35   ` [PATCH v2 10/10] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 11:26     ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-04 13:19       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 15:56       ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-03-08  2:23   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:25     ` [PATCH v3 1/7][Resend] cpufreq: Rework the scheduler hooks for triggering updates Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 13:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 14:02         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:26     ` [PATCH v3 2/7][Resend] cpufreq: Move scheduler-related code to the sched directory Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:28     ` [PATCH v3 3/7][Resend] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:29     ` [PATCH v3 4/7][Resend] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_attr_set code to seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:38     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:41     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] cpufreq: sched: Re-introduce cpufreq_update_util() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:50     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:41     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:43       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] cpufreq: sched: Helpers to add and remove update_util hooks Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:44       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:45       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_attr_set code to seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:46       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] cpufreq: Move governor attribute set headers to cpufreq.h Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:47       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] cpufreq: Move governor symbols " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:52       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 15:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 16:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 15:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 16:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:59       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 17:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:42           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 17:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:34           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 17:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 22:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 17:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:48           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 18:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 22:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 22:53               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 15:27       ` [PATCH v4 0/7] cpufreq: schedutil governor Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 16:20         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 23:51       ` [PATCH v5 6/7][Update] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 11:35         ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-17 11:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-17 11:48             ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-17 12:53               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17  0:01       ` [PATCH v5 7/7][Update] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 11:30         ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-17 12:54           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 11:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-17 12:54           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 15:54       ` [PATCH v6 6/7][Update] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 16:01       ` [PATCH v6 7/7][Update] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-18 12:34         ` Patrick Bellasi

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