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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	mgalbraith@suse.de, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 06/13] sched: Store maximum per-cpu capacity in root domain
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:46:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160715114615.GG21816@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160714151518.GD21816@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 04:15:20PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 03:25:36PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On 13 July 2016 at 18:37, Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com> wrote:
> > > Also, for SMT max capacity is less than 1024 already. No?
> > 
> > Yes, it is. I haven't looked in details but i think that we could use
> > a capacity of 1024 for SMT with changes that have been done on how to
> > evaluate if a sched_group is overloaded or not.
> 
> Changing SMT is a bit more invasive that I had hoped for for this patch
> set. I will see if we can make it work with the current SMT capacities.
> 
> > 
> > > But we may be able to cater for this in wake_cap() somehow. I can have a
> > > look if Vincent doesn't like this patch.
> > 
> > IMO, rd->max_cpu_capacity field doesn't seem to be required for now .
> 
> No problem. I will try to get rid of it. I will drop the "arm:" patches
> as well as they would have to be extended to guarantee a max capacity of
> 1024 and we most likely will have to change it again when Juri's DT
> solution hopefully gets merged.

I have had a closer look at wake_cap() again. Getting rid of
rd->max_cpu_capacity isn't as easy as I thought.

The fundamental problem is that all we have in wake_cap() is the waking
cpu and previous cpu ids which isn't sufficient to determine whether we
have an asymmetric capacity system or not. A capacity <1024 can either a
little cpu or an SMT thread. We need a third piece of information, which
can be either the highest cpu capacity available in the cpu, or a
flag/variable/function telling us whether we are on an SMT system.

I see the following solutions to the problem:

1. Have a system-wide max_cpu_capacity (as proposed in this patch) which
can let us detect SMT systems as max_cpu_capacity < 1024 implies SMT.

2. Change SMT thread capacity to 1024 so we implicitly know that max
capacity is always 1024. As said above, this is a very invasive change
as it would mean that we no longer distinguish between SMP and SMT.
smt_gain and SD_SHARE_CPUCAPACITY would no longer have any effect and
can be ripped out. I would prefer not create a dependency on such a
massive change. We can do the experiment afterwards if needed.

3. Detect SMT in wake_cap(). This requires access to the sched_domain
hierarchy as the SD_SHARE_CPUCAPACITY is the only way to detect SMT,
AFAIK, apart from looping through the capacities of all cpus in the
system basically computing max_cpu_capacity each time.
wake_cap() is currently called before rcu_read_lock() that gives us
access to the sched_domain hierarchy. I would have to postpone the
wake_cap() call to being inside the lock and introduce another lookup in
the sched_domain hierarchy which would be executed on every wake-up on
all systems. IMHO, that is a bit ugly.

I don't really like any of the solutions, but of those three I would go
for the current solution (1) as it is very minimal both in the amount of
code touched/affected and overhead. We can kill it later if we have a
better one, no problem for me.

Do you see any alternatives?

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-15 11:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-22 17:03 [PATCH v2 00/13] sched: Clean-ups and asymmetric cpu capacity support Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] sched: Fix power to capacity renaming in comment Morten Rasmussen
2016-08-10 18:03   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/core: " tip-bot for Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] sched/fair: Consistent use of prev_cpu in wakeup path Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 18:04   ` Rik van Riel
2016-06-23  9:56     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-23 12:24       ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-10 18:03   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Make the use of prev_cpu consistent in the " tip-bot for Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] sched/fair: Optimize find_idlest_cpu() when there is no choice Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-13 12:20   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-08-10 18:03   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] sched: Introduce SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY sched_domain topology flag Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11  9:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-11 10:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] sched: Enable SD_BALANCE_WAKE for asymmetric capacity systems Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11 10:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-11 10:37     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11 11:04       ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11 11:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-12 14:26           ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] sched: Store maximum per-cpu capacity in root domain Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11 10:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-11 16:16     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-07-12 11:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-13 11:18         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-07-13 12:40   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-13 13:48     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-07-13 16:37       ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-14 13:25         ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-14 15:15           ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-15 11:46             ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2016-07-15 13:39               ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-15 16:02                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-18 12:48                   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-18 15:11                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] sched/fair: Let asymmetric cpu configurations balance at wake-up Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11 11:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-11 12:32     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-13 12:56   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-13 16:14     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-14 13:45       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-15  8:37         ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] sched/fair: Compute task/cpu utilization at wake-up more correctly Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] sched/fair: Consider spare capacity in find_idlest_group() Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] sched: Add per-cpu max capacity to sched_group_capacity Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] sched/fair: Avoid pulling tasks from non-overloaded higher capacity groups Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-23 21:20   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2016-06-30  7:49     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-14 16:39       ` Sai Gurrappadi
2016-07-15  8:39         ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-12 12:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-12 14:34     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] arm: Set SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY for big.LITTLE platforms Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-22 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] arm: Update arch_scale_cpu_capacity() to reflect change to define Morten Rasmussen
2016-06-28 10:20 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] sched: Clean-ups and asymmetric cpu capacity support Koan-Sin Tan
2016-06-30  7:53   ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-08  7:35 ` KEITA KOBAYASHI
2016-07-08  8:18   ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11  8:33 ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-11 12:44   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-12 13:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-12 14:39     ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-07-13 12:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2016-07-13 15:54   ` Morten Rasmussen

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