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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
Cc: Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gang.wei@intel.com,
	hpa@linux.intel.com, kernel-team@fb.com, ning.sun@intel.com,
	srihan@fb.com, alex.eydelberg@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2] x86/tboot: add an option to disable iommu force on
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 08:59:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170505065920.qagb7qvmr3iryyzj@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170427084207.GU5077@suse.de>


* Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 08:51:42AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > +		tboot_noforce [Default Off]
> > > +			Do not force the Intel IOMMU enabled under tboot.
> > > +			By default, tboot will force Intel IOMMU on, which
> > > +			could harm performance of some high-throughput
> > > +			devices like 40GBit network cards, even if identity
> > > +			mapping is enabled.
> > > +			Note that using this option lowers the security
> > > +			provided by tboot because it makes the system
> > > +			vulnerable to DMA attacks.
> > 
> > So what's the purpose of this kernel option?
> > 
> > It sure isn't the proper solution for correctly architectured hardware/firmware 
> > (which can just choose not to expose the IOMMU!), and for one-time hacks for 
> > special embedded systems or for debugging why not just add an iommu=off option to 
> > force it off?
> 
> I guess that tboot requires an IOMMU to be present in order to work. It
> will do initial IOMMU setup and hands the hardware over to Linux later
> on.
> 
> The problem solved here is that someone wants tboot for security
> reasons, but doesn't want the performance penalty of having the IOMMU
> enabled and can live with the risk of an DMA attack.

Yes, that makes sense - but in this case it would be far more user friendly to 
make it a sysctl, not a boot option. This is also much more manageable for 
distributions and also allows it to be more easily turned into a security policy 
feature.

New boot options should be for debugging hacks in essence - any serious hardware 
configuration should be done via more user-friendly methods.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-05  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-26 16:18 [PATCH V2] x86/tboot: add an option to disable iommu force on Shaohua Li
2017-04-26 21:59 ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27  6:52   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-28 22:07     ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27  6:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-27  8:42   ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27 14:49     ` Shaohua Li
2017-04-27 15:18       ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27 15:41         ` Shaohua Li
2017-04-27 16:04           ` Joerg Roedel
2017-05-05  6:59     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-05-05  8:40       ` Joerg Roedel
2017-05-06  9:48         ` Ingo Molnar

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