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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
Cc: Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gang.wei@intel.com,
	hpa@linux.intel.com, kernel-team@fb.com, ning.sun@intel.com,
	srihan@fb.com, alex.eydelberg@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2] x86/tboot: add an option to disable iommu force on
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 11:48:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170506094845.djhjiugvtuvqmbpc@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170505084004.GM5077@suse.de>


* Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de> wrote:

> Hi Ingo,
> 
> On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 08:59:20AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > > The problem solved here is that someone wants tboot for security
> > > reasons, but doesn't want the performance penalty of having the IOMMU
> > > enabled and can live with the risk of an DMA attack.
> > 
> > Yes, that makes sense - but in this case it would be far more user friendly to 
> > make it a sysctl, not a boot option. This is also much more manageable for 
> > distributions and also allows it to be more easily turned into a security policy 
> > feature.
> > 
> > New boot options should be for debugging hacks in essence - any serious hardware 
> > configuration should be done via more user-friendly methods.
> 
> I agree in general that a sysctl would be more user-friendly. But the
> problem is that enabling/disabling the IOMMU is a boot-time option that
> can't be changed at runtime.
> 
> That is because this decission defines how the bus addresses are mapped
> to physical addresses through the dma-api. When the iommu is disabled,
> it is just a 1-1 mapping, but when it is enabled a physical address
> could end up on any address in the bus address space.
> 
> Once drivers are loaded that allocate those addresses we can't change
> the mappings anymore as disabling the iommu would do.

Ok - that makes sense - I withdraw my objections:

  Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>

Thanks,

	Ingo

      reply	other threads:[~2017-05-06  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-26 16:18 [PATCH V2] x86/tboot: add an option to disable iommu force on Shaohua Li
2017-04-26 21:59 ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27  6:52   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-28 22:07     ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27  6:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-27  8:42   ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27 14:49     ` Shaohua Li
2017-04-27 15:18       ` Joerg Roedel
2017-04-27 15:41         ` Shaohua Li
2017-04-27 16:04           ` Joerg Roedel
2017-05-05  6:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-05  8:40       ` Joerg Roedel
2017-05-06  9:48         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]

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