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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] ipc subsystem refcounter conversions
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:24:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170529102442.gerbzxzixllen46q@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h904xc26.fsf@xmission.com>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 04:11:13AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

> Kees I I have a concern:
> 
> __must_check bool refcount_add_not_zero(unsigned int i, refcount_t *r)
> {
>         unsigned int new, val = atomic_read(&r->refs);
> 
>         do {
>                 if (!val)
>                         return false;
> 
>                 if (unlikely(val == UINT_MAX))
>                         return true;
> 
>                 new = val + i;
>                 if (new < val)
>                         new = UINT_MAX;
> 
>         } while (!atomic_try_cmpxchg_relaxed(&r->refs, &val, new));
> 
>         WARN_ONCE(new == UINT_MAX, "refcount_t: saturated; leaking memory.\n");
> 
>         return true;
> }
> 
> Why in the world do you succeed when you the value saturates????

Why not? On saturation the object will leak and returning a reference to
it is always good.

> From a code perspective that is bizarre.   The code already has to handle
> the case when the counter does not increment.

I don't see it as bizarre, we turned an overflow/use-after-free into a
leak. That's the primary mechanism here.

As long as we have a reference to a leaked object, we might as well use
it, its not going anywhere.

> Fixing the return value would move refcount_t into the realm of
> something that is desirable because it has bettern semantics and
> is more useful just on a day to day correctness point of view.  Even
> ignoring the security implications.

It changes the semantics between inc_not_zero() and inc(). It also
complicates the semantics of inc_not_zero(), where currently the failure
implies the count is 0 and means no-such-object, you complicate matters
by basically returning 'busy'.

That is a completely new class of failure that is actually hard to deal
with, not to mention that it completely destroys refcount_inc_not_zero()
being a 'simple' replacement for atomic_inc_not_zero().

In case of the current failure, the no-such-object, we can fix that by
creating said object. But what to do on 'busy' ? Surely you don't want
to create another. You'd have to somehow retrofit something to wait on
in every user.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-29 10:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-20 11:29 [PATCH 0/3] ipc subsystem refcounter conversions Elena Reshetova
2017-02-20 11:29 ` [PATCH 1/3] ipc: convert ipc_namespace.count from atomic_t to refcount_t Elena Reshetova
2017-05-27 19:41   ` Kees Cook
2017-05-28 12:10     ` Manfred Spraul
2017-02-20 11:29 ` [PATCH 2/3] ipc: convert sem_undo_list.refcnt " Elena Reshetova
2017-05-27 19:44   ` Kees Cook
2017-02-20 11:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] ipc: convert ipc_rcu.refcount " Elena Reshetova
2017-05-27 19:47   ` Kees Cook
2017-02-20 11:42 ` [PATCH 0/3] ipc subsystem refcounter conversions Andy Shevchenko
2017-02-20 12:30   ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-02-22 15:41 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-03-04  0:23 ` Andrew Morton
2017-03-06  9:51   ` Reshetova, Elena
2017-05-27 19:58   ` Kees Cook
2017-05-29  8:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-29  9:11       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-29 10:24         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-05-29 10:49           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-29 11:30             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-29 11:39               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-29 12:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-29 15:43                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-29 12:13             ` Peter Zijlstra

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