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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs, mm: account filp and names caches to kmemcg
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:04:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171009180409.z3mpk3m7m75hjyfv@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xr93a810xl77.fsf@gthelen.svl.corp.google.com>

[CC Johannes - the thread starts
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20171005222144.123797-1-shakeelb@google.com]

On Mon 09-10-17 10:52:44, Greg Thelen wrote:
> Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri 06-10-17 12:33:03, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> >> >>       names_cachep = kmem_cache_create("names_cache", PATH_MAX, 0,
> >> >> -                     SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN|SLAB_PANIC, NULL);
> >> >> +                     SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN|SLAB_PANIC|SLAB_ACCOUNT, NULL);
> >> >
> >> > I might be wrong but isn't name cache only holding temporary objects
> >> > used for path resolution which are not stored anywhere?
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Even though they're temporary, many containers can together use a
> >> significant amount of transient uncharged memory. We've seen machines
> >> with 100s of MiBs in names_cache.
> >
> > Yes that might be possible but are we prepared for random ENOMEM from
> > vfs calls which need to allocate a temporary name?
> >
> >> 
> >> >>       filp_cachep = kmem_cache_create("filp", sizeof(struct file), 0,
> >> >> -                     SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN | SLAB_PANIC, NULL);
> >> >> +                     SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN | SLAB_PANIC | SLAB_ACCOUNT, NULL);
> >> >>       percpu_counter_init(&nr_files, 0, GFP_KERNEL);
> >> >>  }
> >> >
> >> > Don't we have a limit for the maximum number of open files?
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Yes, there is a system limit of maximum number of open files. However
> >> this limit is shared between different users on the system and one
> >> user can hog this resource. To cater that, we set the maximum limit
> >> very high and let the memory limit of each user limit the number of
> >> files they can open.
> >
> > Similarly here. Are all syscalls allocating a fd prepared to return
> > ENOMEM?
> >
> > -- 
> > Michal Hocko
> > SUSE Labs
> 
> Even before this patch I find memcg oom handling inconsistent.  Page
> cache pages trigger oom killer and may allow caller to succeed once the
> kernel retries.  But kmem allocations don't call oom killer.  They
> surface errors to user space.  This makes memcg hard to use for memory
> overcommit because it's desirable for a high priority task to
> transparently kill a lower priority task using the memcg oom killer.
> 
> A few ideas on how to make it more flexible:
> 
> a) Go back to memcg oom killing within memcg charging.  This runs risk
>    of oom killing while caller holds locks which oom victim selection or
>    oom victim termination may need.  Google's been running this way for
>    a while.
> 
> b) Have every syscall return do something similar to page fault handler:
>    kmem allocations in oom memcg mark the current task as needing an oom
>    check return NULL.  If marked oom, syscall exit would use
>    mem_cgroup_oom_synchronize() before retrying the syscall.  Seems
>    risky.  I doubt every syscall is compatible with such a restart.
> 
> c) Overcharge kmem to oom memcg and queue an async memcg limit checker,
>    which will oom kill if needed.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Demo program which eventually gets ENOSPC from mkdir.
> 
> $ cat /tmp/t
> while umount /tmp/mnt; do true; done
> mkdir -p /tmp/mnt
> mount -t tmpfs nodev /tmp/mnt
> cd /dev/cgroup/memory
> rmdir t
> mkdir t
> echo 32M > t/memory.limit_in_bytes
> (echo $BASHPID > t/cgroup.procs && cd /tmp/mnt && exec /tmp/mkdirs)
> 
> $ cat /tmp/mkdirs.c
> #include <err.h>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <sys/mman.h>
> #include <sys/stat.h>
> #include <sys/types.h>
> 
> int main()
> {
>         int i;
>         char name[32];
> 
>         if (mlockall(MCL_CURRENT|MCL_FUTURE))
>                 err(1, "mlockall");
>         for (i = 0; i < (1<<20); i++) {
>                 sprintf(name, "%d", i);
>                 if (mkdir(name, 0700))
>                         err(1, "mkdir");
>         }
>         printf("done\n");
>         return 0;
> }

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-09 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-05 22:21 [PATCH] fs, mm: account filp and names caches to kmemcg Shakeel Butt
2017-10-06  7:59 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-06 19:33   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-09  6:24     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 17:52       ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-09 18:04         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-10-09 18:17           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10  9:10             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 22:21               ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-11  9:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 20:26         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-10  9:14           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 14:17             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-10 14:24               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-12 19:03                 ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-12 23:57                   ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-13  6:51                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  6:35                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  7:00                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13 15:24                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 12:18                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 17:54                           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:06                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:22                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 17:23                             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 17:55                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 18:58                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 20:15                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25  6:51                                     ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-25  7:15                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 13:11                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 14:12                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 16:44                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 17:29                                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 18:11                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 19:00                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 21:13                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 22:49                                                       ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-26  7:49                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-26 12:45                                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-26 14:31                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-26 19:56                                                           ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-27  8:20                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-27 20:50                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-30  8:29                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-30 19:28                                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-31  8:00                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-31 16:49                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-31 18:50                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 15:45                     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:30                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 23:32 ` Al Viro

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