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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] arm64: optional paranoid __{get,put}_user checks
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:44:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171027204410.4jdg2uwuj2mlw5sd@salmiak> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171027154113.GA13737@arm.com>

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 04:41:13PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:09:40AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > In Prague, Kees mentioned that it would be nice to have a mechanism to
> > catch bad __{get,put}_user uses, such as the recent CVE-2017-5123 [1,2]
> > issue with unsafe_put_user() in waitid().
> > 
> > These patches allow an optional access_ok() check to be dropped in
> > arm64's __{get,put}_user() primitives. These will then BUG() if a bad
> > user pointer is passed (which should only happen in the absence of an
> > earlier access_ok() check).
> > 
> > The first patch rewrites the arm64 access_ok() check in C. This gives
> > the compiler the visibility it needs to elide redundant access_ok()
> > checks, so in the common case:
> > 
> >   get_user()
> >     access_ok()
> >     __get_user()
> >       BUG_ON(!access_ok())
> >       <uaccess asm>
> > 
> > ... the compiler can determine that the second access_ok() must return
> > true, and can elide it along with the BUG_ON(), leaving:
> > 
> >   get_user()
> >     access_ok()
> >       __get_user()
> >         <uaccess asm>
> > 
> > ... and thus this sanity check can have no cost in the common case.
> 
> Probably a stupid question, but why not just move the access_ok check
> into __{get,put}_user and remove it from {get,put}_user?

Good question.

I was considering this as a debug option, making it possible to catch unsafe
__{get,put}_user() uses via fuzzing or at build time.

As a hardening option, it would make more sense to always have the check in
__{get,put}_user().

> We can also then move the uaccess_{enable,disable}_not_uao calls out from the
> __ variants so that we can implement user_access_{begin,end}.

Mhmm. I'll take a look at this for v2, afer I've figured out precisely what
I've broken with this RFC.

I'd still like the option to scream on unsafe __{get,put}_user() calls, but it
should be possible to handle both cases with minimal IS_ENABLED() usage.

Thanks,
Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-28  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-26  9:09 [RFC PATCH 0/2] arm64: optional paranoid __{get,put}_user checks Mark Rutland
2017-10-26  9:09 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] arm64: write __range_ok() in C Mark Rutland
2017-11-16 15:28   ` Will Deacon
2017-11-20 12:22     ` Mark Rutland
2017-10-26  9:09 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] arm64: allow paranoid __{get,put}user Mark Rutland
2017-10-27 15:41 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] arm64: optional paranoid __{get,put}_user checks Will Deacon
2017-10-27 20:44   ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2017-10-28  8:47   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-31 23:56 ` Laura Abbott
2017-11-01 12:05   ` Mark Rutland
2017-11-01 21:13     ` Laura Abbott
2017-11-01 22:28       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-01 23:05         ` Laura Abbott
2017-11-01 23:29           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-02  1:25             ` Laura Abbott
2017-11-03 23:04 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86: Avoid multiple evaluations in __{get,put}_user_size Laura Abbott
2017-11-03 23:04   ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86: Allow paranoid __{get,put}_user Laura Abbott
2017-11-04  0:14     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-04  0:24       ` Al Viro
2017-11-04  0:44         ` Al Viro
2017-11-04  1:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-04  1:41           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-04  1:58         ` Mark Rutland
2017-11-06 20:38       ` Laura Abbott

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