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From: Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 15:06:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180503150608.GM18390@sasha-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180503144850.GC23311@1wt.eu>

On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 04:48:50PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 07:33:04AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
>> They're definitely for bug fixes, but there's a spectrum: obvious bug
>> fixes with no side effects are easy to justify.  More complex bug fixes
>> run the risk of having side effects which introduce other bugs, so
>> could potentially destabilize the -rc process.  In SCSI we tend to look
>> at what the user visible effects of the bug are in the post -rc5 region
>> and if they're slight or wouldn't be visible to most users, we'll hold
>> them over.  If the fix looks complex and we're not sure we caught the
>> ramifications, we often add it to the merge window tree with a cc to
>> stable and a note saying to wait X weeks before actually adding to the
>> stable tree just to make sure no side effects show up with wider
>> testing.  So, as with most things, it's a judgment call for the
>> maintainer.
>
>For me this is the right, and responsible way to deal with bug fixes.
>Self-control is much more efficient than random rejection and favors
>a good analysis.

I think that the ideal outcome of this discussion, at least for me, is a
tool to go under scripts/ that would allow maintainers to get some sort
of (quantifiable) data that will indicate how well the patch was tested via
the regular channels.

At which point it's the maintainer's judgement call on whether he wants
to grab the patch or wait for more tests or reviews.

This is very similar to what James has described, it just needs to leave
his brain and turn into code :)
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Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-01 16:38 bug-introducing patches Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 19:44 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 20:00   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:33     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-01 20:42       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:54     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 21:15       ` Mark Brown
2018-05-02  8:11         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-02 19:46           ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03  2:05             ` Mark Brown via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03  3:10               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  3:52                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 12:03                   ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 22:42                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03 23:09                     ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-04 14:21                       ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-09  8:44                         ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:47                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-09  8:51                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-09  9:03                             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 10:47                               ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 10:55                                 ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 12:43                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 12:47                                     ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-15 10:42                                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2018-05-15 11:54                                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 14:05                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 22:09                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 13:36                                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 22:01                                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 15:57                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-09 21:45                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 16:04                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 21:51                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 19:35                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 21:58                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10  3:15                                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-10 15:57                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 22:05                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-11  8:47                                 ` David Sterba
2018-05-12  4:03                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:38                                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12 18:34                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-13 13:53                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-05-14  8:36                                 ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-14 21:45                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-17  5:10                                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 16:03                             ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-10 16:47                               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-14  7:53                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:00                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:12                                     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:29                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:34                                         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:40                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:48                                             ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  9:25                                               ` Fengguang Wu
2018-05-11  2:10                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-08  2:34                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  3:48                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08 14:49                           ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-09  8:13                             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 15:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08 20:29                           ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-08 20:40                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-08 20:55                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:59                                 ` David Lang
2018-05-08 21:43                                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-08 21:51                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 22:41                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-05-08 21:26                                 ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 21:00                             ` Ken Moffat
2018-05-08 22:15                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-10 16:39                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-09  4:47                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-08 13:58                         ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08  2:39                     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-01 22:02       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02  4:30         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02 19:42           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 20:02             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-07-14 17:38               ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 18:37                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 19:47                   ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 20:40                     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 21:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-15  5:57                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-07-15  8:54                 ` Greg KH
2018-07-15 14:50                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-15 20:15                   ` Pavel Machek
2018-05-03 11:08       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jani Nikula
2018-05-03 14:33         ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 14:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:06             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss [this message]
2018-05-03 15:27               ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:43                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 17:17                   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-03 17:39                     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 18:10                   ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:56                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 18:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-02 15:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 19:51   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-02 20:41     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-03  0:06       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  0:38         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  2:30           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:49             ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 16:02               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 16:50                 ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-03 17:09                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 11:48         ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 14:46         ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 14:52           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:01             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 16:00               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:14                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:35                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 17:29                     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 17:57                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 18:12                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 18:46                           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 19:03                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:54           ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 17:34             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 18:20               ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 18:55                 ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 19:14                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:17                     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 19:04                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04  9:57                 ` David Howells
2018-05-04 12:31                   ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-04 13:09                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 17:40                       ` Greg KH
2018-05-04 21:13                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 21:38                           ` James Bottomley
2018-05-04 21:51                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04 23:35                               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-05  4:23                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-05  5:02                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-05 16:37                                     ` Greg KH
2018-05-05  5:27                                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 11:43       ` Al Viro
2018-05-02 15:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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