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From: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@canonical.com>,
	Akihiro Suda <suda.akihiro@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/5] seccomp: add support for passing fds via USER_NOTIF
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:03:36 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180921220336.GU4672@cisco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWxjLw6-pMcOydDxbf6KfMrYZcdriTk5g7U3Ba6cRNJNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:27:59AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 6:39 AM Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:18:45PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we just want the operation to cover all the cases.  Let PUT_FD
> > > take a source fd and a dest fd.  If the source fd is -1, the dest is
> > > closed.  If the source is -1 and the dest is -1, return -EINVAL.  If
> > > the dest is -1, allocate an fd.  If the dest is >= 0, work like
> > > dup2().  (The latter could be necessary to emulate things like, say,
> > > dup2 :))
> >
> > ...then if we're going to allow overwriting fds, we'd need to lift out
> > the logic from do_dup2 somewhere? Is this getting too complicated? :)
> >
> 
> fds are complicated :-p

:D

> More seriously, though, I think it's okay if we don't support
> everything out of the box.  getting the general semantics I suggested
> is kind of nice because the resulting API is conceptually simple, even
> if it encapsulates three cases.  But I'd be okay with only supporting
> add-an-fd-at-an-unused-position and delete-an-fd out of the box --
> more can be added if there's demand.

It's the delete/replace-an-fd one that has me worried. Anyway, I'll
take a look and see what I can figure out.

> But I think that exposing an operation that allocates and reserves an
> fd without putting anything in the slot is awkward, and it opens us up
> to weird corner cases becoming visible that are currently there but
> mostly hidden.  For example, what happens if someone overwrites a
> reserved fd with dup2()?  (The answer is apparently -EBUSY -- see the
> big comment in do_dup2() in fs/file.c.)  But there's a more
> significant nastiness: what happens if someone abuses your new
> mechanism to overwrite a reserved fd that belongs to a different
> thread?  It looks like you'll hit the BUG_ON(fdt->fd[fd] != NULL); in
> __fd_install().  So unless you actually track which unused fds you own
> and enforce that the final installation installs in the right slot,
> you have a problem.
> 
> BTW, socketpair() isn't the only thing that can add two fds.
> recvmsg() can, too, as can pipe() and pipe2().  Some of the DRM ioctls
> may as well for all I know.  But socketpair(), pipe(), and recvmsg()
> can be credibly emulated by adding each fd in sequence and then
> deleting them all of one fails.  Sure, this could race against dup2(),
> but I'm not sure we care.

Yup agreed. We need to do the install when the ioctl() is called.

Tycho

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-21 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-06 15:28 [PATCH v6 0/5] seccomp trap to userspace Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] seccomp: add a return code to " Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 22:15   ` Tyler Hicks
2018-09-07 15:45     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-08 20:35     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] seccomp: make get_nth_filter available outside of CHECKPOINT_RESTORE Tycho Andersen
2018-09-11 10:25   ` kbuild test robot
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] seccomp: add a way to get a listener fd from ptrace Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:45   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-06 15:50     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-13  0:00   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-13  9:24     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-17  7:25     ` Michael Tirado
2018-10-17 15:00       ` Tycho Andersen
     [not found]         ` <CAMkWEXM1c7AGTH=tpgoHtPnFFY-V+05nGOU90Sa1E3EPY9OhKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-17 18:15           ` Michael Tirado
2018-10-21 16:00             ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-17 18:31       ` Kees Cook
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] seccomp: add support for passing fds via USER_NOTIF Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 16:15   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-06 16:22     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 18:30       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-10 17:00         ` Jann Horn
2018-09-11 20:29           ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-12 23:52   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-13  9:25     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-13  9:42     ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-19  9:55     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-19 14:19       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-19 14:38         ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-19 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-20 23:42             ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-21  2:18               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 13:39                 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-21 18:27                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 22:03                     ` Tycho Andersen [this message]
2018-09-21 20:46                   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-25 12:53                 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] samples: add an example of seccomp user trap Tycho Andersen

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