From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@canonical.com>,
Akihiro Suda <suda.akihiro@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/5] seccomp: add a way to get a listener fd from ptrace
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 17:00:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXGBZyqDb7DEysHmOkxaBrXUp4s2X08HfqZkpjM28s3Hg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180906152859.7810-4-tycho@tycho.ws>
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws> wrote:
> As an alternative to SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_GET_LISTENER, perhaps a ptrace()
> version which can acquire filters is useful. There are at least two reasons
> this is preferable, even though it uses ptrace:
>
> 1. You can control tasks that aren't cooperating with you
> 2. You can control tasks whose filters block sendmsg() and socket(); if the
> task installs a filter which blocks these calls, there's no way with
> SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_GET_LISTENER to get the fd out to the privileged task.
Hmm. I contemplated this a bit and looked at your example a bit, and
I have a few thoughts:
- What happens if you nest code like your sample? That is, if you
are already in some container that is seccomped and there's a
listener, can you even run your sample?
- Is there any association between the filter layer that uses the
USER_NOTIF return and the listener? How would this API express such a
relationship?
I realize that my dream of how this should all work requires eBPF and
BPF_CALL, so it may not be viable right now, but I'd like a better
understanding of how this all fits together.
Also, I think that it's not strictly true that a filter that blocks
sendmsg() is problematic. You could clone a thread, call seccomp() in
that thread, then get a listener, then execve(). Or we could have a
seccomp() mode that adds a filter but only kicks in after execve().
The latter could be generally useful.
--Andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-09-13 0:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-06 15:28 [PATCH v6 0/5] seccomp trap to userspace Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] seccomp: add a return code to " Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 22:15 ` Tyler Hicks
2018-09-07 15:45 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-08 20:35 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] seccomp: make get_nth_filter available outside of CHECKPOINT_RESTORE Tycho Andersen
2018-09-11 10:25 ` kbuild test robot
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] seccomp: add a way to get a listener fd from ptrace Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:45 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-06 15:50 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-13 0:00 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-09-13 9:24 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-17 7:25 ` Michael Tirado
2018-10-17 15:00 ` Tycho Andersen
[not found] ` <CAMkWEXM1c7AGTH=tpgoHtPnFFY-V+05nGOU90Sa1E3EPY9OhKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-17 18:15 ` Michael Tirado
2018-10-21 16:00 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-17 18:31 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] seccomp: add support for passing fds via USER_NOTIF Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 16:15 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-06 16:22 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 18:30 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-10 17:00 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-11 20:29 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-12 23:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-13 9:25 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-13 9:42 ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-19 9:55 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-19 14:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-19 14:38 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-19 19:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-20 23:42 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-21 2:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 13:39 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-21 18:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-21 22:03 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-21 20:46 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-25 12:53 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-06 15:28 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] samples: add an example of seccomp user trap Tycho Andersen
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