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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, jbaron@akamai.com,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David.Laight@aculab.com, bp@alien8.de, julia@ni.com,
	jeyu@kernel.org, Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] x86/static_call: Add inline static call implementation for x86-64
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:58:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181129125857.75c55b96@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgnZobye-KNaBVO-SdqX-5Xkz+i=aJ_kOFZ4RpZFT0HqQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:50:28 -0800
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:44 AM Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> >
> > Well, the current method (as Jiri mentioned) did get the OK from at
> > least Intel (and that was with a lot of arm twisting to do so).  
> 
> Guys, when the comparison is to:
> 
>  - create a huge honking security hole by screwing up the stack frame
> 
> or
> 
>  - corrupt random registers because we "know" they aren't in use
> 
> then it really sounds pretty safe to just say "ok, just make it
> aligned and update the instruction with an atomic cmpxchg or
> something".

Do you realize that the cmpxchg used by the first attempts of the
dynamic modification of code by ftrace was the source of the e1000e
NVRAM corruption bug.

It's because it happened to do it to IO write only memory, and a
cmpxchg will *always* write, even if it didn't match. It will just
write out what it read.

In the case of the e1000e bug, it read 0xffffffff and that's what it
wrote back out.

So no, I don't think that's a better solution.

-- Steve


> 
> Of course, another option is to just say "we don't do the inline case,
> then", and only ever do a call to a stub that does a "jmp"
> instruction.
> 
> Problem solved, at the cost of some I$. Emulating a "jmp" is trivial,
> in ways emulating a "call" is not.
> 
>               Linus


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-29 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-26 13:54 [PATCH v2 0/4] Static calls Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] compiler.h: Make __ADDRESSABLE() symbol truly unique Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-27  8:49   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-11-26 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] static_call: Add static call infrastructure Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] x86/static_call: Add out-of-line static call implementation Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 15:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:19     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-26 13:55 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] x86/static_call: Add inline static call implementation for x86-64 Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 17:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 17:56       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 20:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 20:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 21:26           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-27  8:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-27  8:50               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29  6:05               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  9:42                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 13:11                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 13:37                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 14:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 14:42                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-29 16:33                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 16:49                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 16:59                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:10                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 22:01                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 22:14                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 22:22                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 22:25                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 22:30                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 17:15                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 17:20                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:21                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:41                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:45                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 17:52                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:49                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 18:37                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 16:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 16:55                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:02                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:07                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 17:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:35                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-29 17:13                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:44                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:50                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:54                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:58                                     ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2018-11-29 18:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 18:47                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 18:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:08                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:11                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-10 23:58                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-11  1:43                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:12                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 19:27                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 20:24                                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 22:17                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 23:04                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-30 16:27                                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-11  9:41                                                       ` David Laight
2018-12-11 17:19                                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-12 18:29                                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-30 16:42                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-30 18:39                                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-30 19:45                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-30 20:18                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-30 20:28                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 20:59                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-30 21:01                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 21:13                                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-30 21:10                                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 19:16                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 19:22                                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 19:27                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 22:16                                                 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-11-30 22:24                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 19:24                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:28                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 19:31                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 20:12                                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 18:00                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 18:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 18:55                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:29                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:35                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 18:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 20:14         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-27  8:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:11     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-11-26 16:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 16:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:44         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 14:01 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Static calls Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 20:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-26 22:24   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 22:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-04 23:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-04 23:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 15:04     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-05 23:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-07 16:06 ` Edward Cree
2018-12-07 16:49   ` Edward Cree
2018-12-11 18:05   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-12  5:59     ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-12 17:11       ` Edward Cree
2018-12-12 17:47         ` [RFC/WIP PATCH 0/2] dynamic calls Edward Cree
2018-12-12 17:50           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] static_call: fix out-of-line static call implementation Edward Cree
2018-12-12 17:52           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] net: core: rather hacky PoC implementation of dynamic calls Edward Cree
2018-12-12 18:14         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Static calls Nadav Amit
2018-12-12 18:33           ` Edward Cree
2018-12-12 21:15             ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-12 21:36               ` Edward Cree
2018-12-12 21:45                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-10 23:57 ` Pavel Machek

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