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From: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Cc: pbonzini@redhat.com, rkrcmar@redhat.com, jmattson@google.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	mst@redhat.com, yu-cheng.yu@intel.com,
	Zhang Yi Z <yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	wei.w.wang@intel.com, weijiang.yang@inte.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 6/8] KVM:VMX: Load Guest CET via VMCS when CET is enabled in Guest
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 20:36:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190304123655.GB4185@local-michael-cet-test.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190305031202.GI17120@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 07:12:02PM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 05:56:40PM +0800, Yang Weijiang wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 10:43:07AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 03, 2019 at 08:26:08PM +0800, Yang Weijiang wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 06:58:19AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 04:38:44PM +0800, Yang Weijiang wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:17:15AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 09:27:14PM +0800, Yang Weijiang wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Load Guest CET state" bit controls whether guest CET states
> > > > > > > > will be loaded at Guest entry. Before doing that, KVM needs
> > > > > > > > to check if CPU CET feature is available.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Zhang Yi Z <yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com>
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > >  arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c | 32 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > >  1 file changed, 32 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c b/arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c
> > > > > > > > index 89ee086e1729..d32cee9ee079 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c
> > > > > > > > +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c
> > > > > > > > @@ -55,6 +55,7 @@
> > > > > > > >  #include <asm/mmu_context.h>
> > > > > > > >  #include <asm/spec-ctrl.h>
> > > > > > > >  #include <asm/mshyperv.h>
> > > > > > > > +#include <asm/cet.h>
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  #include "trace.h"
> > > > > > > >  #include "pmu.h"
> > > > > > > > @@ -4065,6 +4066,20 @@ static inline bool vmx_feature_control_msr_valid(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu,
> > > > > > > >  	return !(val & ~valid_bits);
> > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > +static int vmx_guest_cet_cap(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
> > > > > > > > +{
> > > > > > > > +	u32 eax, ebx, ecx, edx;
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > +	/*
> > > > > > > > +	 * Guest CET can work as long as HW supports the feature, independent
> > > > > > > > +	 * to Host SW enabling status.
> > > > > > > > +	 */
> > > > > > > > +	cpuid_count(7, 0, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > +	return ((ecx & bit(X86_FEATURE_SHSTK)) |
> > > > > > > > +		(edx & bit(X86_FEATURE_IBT))) ? 1 : 0;
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Given the holes in the (current) architecture/spec, I think KVM has to
> > > > > > > require both features to be supported in the guest to allow CR4.CET to
> > > > > > > be enabled.
> > > > > > The reason why I use a "OR" here is to keep CET enabling control the
> > > > > > same as that on host, right now on host, users can select to enable  SHSTK or IBT
> > > > > > feature by disabling the unexpected one. It's free to select SHSTK & IBT
> > > > > > or SHSTK | IBT.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which is not the same as SHSTK != IBT in *hardware*, which is effectively
> > > > > what this is allowing for the guest.  The problem is that the architecture
> > > > > doesn't cleanly separate the two features, i.e. we'd have a virtualization
> > > > > hole where the guest could touch state for a disabled feature.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regardless, the guest would still be able to selectively enable each CET
> > > > > feature, it would just never see a model where SHSTK != IBT.
> > > > Hi, Sean,
> > > > I'd like to understand your concerns. From my point of view, e.g., 
> > > > when only IBT is enabled, PL3_SSP MSR would be unnecessrily exposed,
> > > > this is the design "limitation", but PL3_SSP keeps 0 if SHSTK is not
> > > > configured. Could you detail your concerns?
> > > 
> > > In your approach, IA32_{S,U}_CET can be written if SHSTK or IBT is exposed
> > > to the guest.  If only SHSTK is exposed, a devious guest can still use IBT
> > > because it can set CR4.CET as well as the enable bits in IA32_{S,U}_CET.
> > > Preventing the guest from using IBT in this scenario is infeasible as it
> > > would require trapping and emulating the XSAVE as well as the relevent CET
> > > MSRs.
> > Cannot agree with you more!
> > This is some design limitation, but from my point of view, once vmm
> > exposes CET capability to guest via CPUID, it grants the guest kernel freedom to choose
> > which features to be enabled, we don't need to add extra constraints on
> > the usage.
> 
> But if KVM allows SHSTK and IBT to be toggled independently then the VMM
> has only exposed SHSTK or IBT, not CET as whole.
> 
> Even if SHSTK and IBT are bundled together the guest still has to opt-in
> to enabling each feature.  I don't see what we gain by pretending that
> SHSTK/IBT can be individually exposed to the guest, and on the flip side
> doing so creates a virtualization hole.
you almost convinced me ;-), maybe I'll make the feature as a bundle in
next release after check with kernel team. BTW, what do you mean by
saying "create a virtualization hole"? Is it what you stated in above
reply?

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-05  5:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-25 13:27 [PATCH v3 0/8] This patch-set is to enable Guest CET support Yang Weijiang
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 1/8] KVM:VMX: Define CET VMCS fields and bits Yang Weijiang
2019-02-26 19:31   ` Jim Mattson
2019-02-26  7:52     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-02-28 15:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-28  9:51       ` Yang Weijiang
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 2/8] KVM:CPUID: Define CET CPUID bits and CR4.CET master enable bit Yang Weijiang
2019-02-26 19:48   ` Jim Mattson
2019-02-26  7:57     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-01  2:15       ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-02-28 16:04   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-28  8:10     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 3/8] KVM:CPUID: Add CPUID support for Guest CET Yang Weijiang
2019-02-28 15:59   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-28  8:28     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-01 14:53       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-03  9:36         ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-04 18:28           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-04 12:17             ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-04 18:47   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-04 10:01     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-04 18:54     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-04 10:11       ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-08 11:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-10 12:18     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 4/8] KVM:CPUID: Fix xsaves area size calculation for CPUID.(EAX=0xD,ECX=1) Yang Weijiang
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 5/8] KVM:VMX: Pass through host CET related MSRs to Guest Yang Weijiang
2019-03-04 18:53   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-04 10:07     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-05  3:21       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 6/8] KVM:VMX: Load Guest CET via VMCS when CET is enabled in Guest Yang Weijiang
2019-02-28 16:17   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-28  8:38     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-01 14:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-03 12:26         ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-04 18:43           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-04  9:56             ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-05  3:12               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-04 12:36                 ` Yang Weijiang [this message]
2019-03-08 16:28                   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-08 16:36                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 7/8] KVM:X86: Add XSS bit 11 and 12 support for CET xsaves/xrstors Yang Weijiang
2019-02-28 16:25   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-28  8:44     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-08 11:32       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-10 12:20         ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-10 13:35           ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-11 15:32             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-12 14:30               ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-08 10:49   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-11  1:29     ` Kang, Luwei
2019-02-25 13:27 ` [PATCH v3 8/8] KVM:X86: Add user-space read/write interface for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2019-02-28 16:32   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-28  9:41     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-03-08 17:30       ` Sean Christopherson

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