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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@infradead.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 56/79] docs: Documentation/*.txt: rename all ReST files to *.rst
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:57:56 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190424095756.73b8981f@coco.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190424115126.GC6278@rapoport-lnx>

Em Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:51:26 +0300
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com> escreveu:

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 05:26:41PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> > Em Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:54:15 -0600
> > Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> escreveu:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:52:26 +0100
> > > David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Suggestions / patches on how to improve things for *all* users of the
> > > docs are certainly welcome!
> > > 
> > > I am, incidentally, toying with the idea of trying to put together a
> > > documentation microconf at the Linux Plumbers Conference this year.  If
> > > anybody out there thinks that's a good idea and would like to
> > > participate, please let me know.
> > 
> > If you add a microconf to LPC, I'm in. 
> 
> +1
>  
> > IMO, we made big advances with documentation, but there's a lot more
> > to be done. Having a microconf to discuss those things may help us
> > to bring new ideas about how to keep improving it.
> 
> The most difficult part, IMHO, is to convince people to document things ;-)

As David mentioned, maintainers could enforce merging new APIs
only with documentation, with the risk of being unpopular. 

Well, maintainers are not among the most loved ones anyway ;-)
<sarcasm/>

My experience enforcing it at media subsystem is that it is not
that hard to have developers writing documentation, once it
becomes a rule, and the maintainers give the example.

The big problem is how to deal with legacy stuff. I had to do that
myself for the DVB subsystem, where the documentation were frozen back 
on 2002 days, while lots of new stuff got added (and, worse than that,
with some very obscure ioctls that is used only by a single driver and
some that were used only by OOT drivers). 

It take a few years to put it in sync with the code, but, once the 
ReST conversion was done, it became easier to do the work.

Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-24 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2019-04-22 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 00/79] Convert files to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 01/79] docs: core-api: fix broken references for div64.c and gcd.c Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 02/79] docs: trace: fix some Sphinx warnings Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-24 15:10     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 03/79] scripts/documentation-file-ref-check: don't parse Next/ dir Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 04/79] docs: aoe: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 05/79] docs: arm64: convert docs to ReST and rename to .rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 06/79] docs: cdrom-standard.tex: convert from LaTeX to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 07/79] docs: cdrom: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 08/79] docs: cgroup-v1: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 15:47     ` Tejun Heo
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 09/79] docs: cgroup-v1/blkio-controller.rst: add a note about CFQ scheduler Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:26   ` [PATCH v2 10/79] docs: cpu-freq: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-23  8:21     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 11/79] docs: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 12/79] docs: fault-injection: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 13/79] docs: fb: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 13:40     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 14/79] docs: fpga: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 15/79] docs: gpio: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-23 11:23     ` Linus Walleij
2019-04-23 12:36       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-23 21:30     ` Linus Walleij
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 16/79] docs: ide: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 17/79] docs: infiniband: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 19/79] docs: kdump: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 20/79] docs: livepatch: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-26  8:10     ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-26  9:04       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 21/79] docs: locking: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 22/79] docs: mic: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 23/79] docs: netlabel: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 18:10     ` Paul Moore
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 24/79] docs: pcmcia: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 25/79] docs: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:48     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-04-22 14:07       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-25 18:07     ` Mark Brown
2019-04-26  9:46       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-27 17:25         ` Mark Brown
2019-04-27 18:13           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 26/79] docs: powerpc: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-24  1:15     ` Andrew Donnellan
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 27/79] docs: pps.txt: convert to ReST and rename to pps.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 16:19     ` Rodolfo Giometti
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 28/79] docs: ptp.txt: convert to ReST and move to driver-api Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 15:40     ` Richard Cochran
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 29/79] docs: riscv: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 30/79] docs: Debugging390.txt: convert table to ascii artwork Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 31/79] docs: s390: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-23 16:12     ` Farhan Ali
2019-04-23 19:46       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-24 11:41     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-24 12:30       ` Heiko Carstens
2019-04-24 12:44       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-24 12:52         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 32/79] s390: include/asm/debug.h add kerneldoc markups Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 33/79] docs: serial: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 34/79] docs: target: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 35/79] docs: timers: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 36/79] docs: watchdog: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 37/79] docs: xilinx: convert eemi.txt to eemi.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 38/79] docs: scheduler: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-23  8:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 10:32       ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-23 11:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 12:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 39/79] docs: EDID/HOWTO.txt: convert it and rename to howto.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 40/79] convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 41/79] docs: lcd-panel-cgram.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 42/79] docs: lp855x-driver.txt: convert to ReST and move to kernel-api Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 43/79] docs: m68k: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-03 11:55     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 44/79] docs: cma/debugfs.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 45/79] docs: console.txt: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 13:41     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 46/79] docs: pti_intel_mid.txt: convert it to pti_intel_mid.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 47/79] docs: early-userspace: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 48/79] docs: driver-model: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 14:47     ` Julia Lawall
2019-04-22 22:30     ` Guenter Roeck
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 50/79] docs: memory-devices: convert ti-emif.txt to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 51/79] docs: xen-tpmfront.txt: convert it to .rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 52/79] docs: bus-devices: ti-gpmc.rst: convert it to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 53/79] docs: nvmem: convert docs to ReST and rename to *.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 54/79] docs: phy: convert samsung-usb2.txt to ReST format Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 55/79] docs: rbtree.txt: fix Sphinx build warnings Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 57/79] docs: accounting: convert to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 15:46     ` Tejun Heo
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 58/79] docs: fmc: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 59/79] docs: hid: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 60/79] docs: ia64: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 61/79] docs: leds: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-23 19:00     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 62/79] docs: laptops: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06  8:59     ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 63/79] docs: iio: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 14:25     ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 64/79] docs: ioctl-number.txt: convert it to ReST format Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 14:05     ` Doug Ledford
2019-04-22 14:17       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 65/79] docs: ioctl: convert to ReST Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 66/79] docs: namespaces: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 67/79] docs: nfc: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 68/79] docs: md: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 69/79] docs: mtd: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:27   ` [PATCH v2 70/79] docs: nvdimm: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 71/79] docs: xtensa: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 72/79] docs: mmc: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 73/79] docs: sparc: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 74/79] docs: thermal: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 75/79] docs: rapidio: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 76/79] docs: blockdev: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 77/79] docs: perf: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 78/79] docs: sysctl: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 13:28   ` [PATCH v2 79/79] docs: block: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-22 14:51   ` [PATCH v2 00/79] Convert files " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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2019-04-23 14:52           ` [PATCH v2 56/79] docs: Documentation/*.txt: rename all ReST files to *.rst David Howells
2019-04-23 16:54             ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-04-23 17:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-23 20:26               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-04-24 11:51                 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-04-24 12:57                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2019-04-23 19:37             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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