Re: 回复: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax: Add a dax-rmap tree to support reflink

From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Ruan, Shiyang" <ruansy.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
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	"Qi, Fuli" <qi.fuli@fujitsu.com>,
	"Gotou, Yasunori" <y-goto@fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: 回复: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax: Add a dax-rmap tree to support reflink
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:43:18 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200428064318.GG2040@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <em33c55fa5-15ca-4c46-8c27-6b0300fa4e51@g08fnstd180058>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 06:09:47AM +0000, Ruan, Shiyang wrote:
> 
> 在 2020/4/27 20:28:36, "Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org> 写道:
> 
> >On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:47:42PM +0800, Shiyang Ruan wrote:
> >>  This patchset is a try to resolve the shared 'page cache' problem for
> >>  fsdax.
> >>
> >>  In order to track multiple mappings and indexes on one page, I
> >>  introduced a dax-rmap rb-tree to manage the relationship.  A dax entry
> >>  will be associated more than once if is shared.  At the second time we
> >>  associate this entry, we create this rb-tree and store its root in
> >>  page->private(not used in fsdax).  Insert (->mapping, ->index) when
> >>  dax_associate_entry() and delete it when dax_disassociate_entry().
> >
> >Do we really want to track all of this on a per-page basis?  I would
> >have thought a per-extent basis was more useful.  Essentially, create
> >a new address_space for each shared extent.  Per page just seems like
> >a huge overhead.
> >
> Per-extent tracking is a nice idea for me.  I haven't thought of it 
> yet...
> 
> But the extent info is maintained by filesystem.  I think we need a way 
> to obtain this info from FS when associating a page.  May be a bit 
> complicated.  Let me think about it...

That's why I want the -user of this association- to do a filesystem
callout instead of keeping it's own naive tracking infrastructure.
The filesystem can do an efficient, on-demand reverse mapping lookup
from it's own extent tracking infrastructure, and there's zero
runtime overhead when there are no errors present.

At the moment, this "dax association" is used to "report" a storage
media error directly to userspace. I say "report" because what it
does is kill userspace processes dead. The storage media error
actually needs to be reported to the owner of the storage media,
which in the case of FS-DAX is the filesytem.

That way the filesystem can then look up all the owners of that bad
media range (i.e. the filesystem block it corresponds to) and take
appropriate action. e.g.

- if it falls in filesytem metadata, shutdown the filesystem
- if it falls in user data, call the "kill userspace dead" routines
  for each mapping/index tuple the filesystem finds for the given
  LBA address that the media error occurred.

Right now if the media error is in filesystem metadata, the
filesystem isn't even told about it. The filesystem can't even shut
down - the error is just dropped on the floor and it won't be until
the filesystem next tries to reference that metadata that we notice
there is an issue.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com