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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: oom: ignore oom warnings from memory.max
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 12:57:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200505165734.GD58018@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALvZod5H-fDbvu73=hkzN0Man_+03ZW0d5zc1N0YObVHSiy0Tw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 08:03:17AM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:13 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> > So instead of potentially removing a useful information can we focus on
> > the remote charging side of the problem and deal with it in a sensible
> > way? That would make memory.high usable for your usecase and I still
> > believe that this is what you should be using in the first place.
> 
> We talked about this at LSFMM'19 and I think the decision was to not
> fix high reclaim for remote memcg until it will be an actual issue. I
> suppose now we can treat it as an actual issue.
> 
> There are a couple of open questions:
> 1) Should the remote chargers be throttled and do the high reclaim?

I would say it depends on the caller. We may need both: a centralized
charger like a kthread that does work on behalf of many cgroups should
not be throttled, or we risk priority inversions - maybe not even held
up for reclaim, although that would need some thinking about
memory.max as well - whether remote charges should be allowed to
overrun memory.max temporarily, and we punt all reclaim from such
contexts to a worker. (Preferrably, in the future, with all the cpu
cycles of that worker accounted to the cgroup. We want that for
kswapd-style background reclaim as well).

We do similar things with IO for example, when offloading IO to a
central kthread. The kthread is allowed to proceed past a cgroup's
allowance in order to make forward progress, and the cgroup will be
forced to pay up retroactively when it comes back for more of the
resource.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-05 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-30 18:27 [PATCH] memcg: oom: ignore oom warnings from memory.max Shakeel Butt
2020-04-30 19:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-04-30 19:30   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-04-30 20:23     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-04-30 19:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-04-30 19:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-04-30 20:20   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-04  6:57     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04 13:54       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-01  1:39 ` Yafang Shao
2020-05-01  2:04   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-01  2:12     ` Yafang Shao
2020-05-04  7:03   ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04  7:26     ` Yafang Shao
2020-05-04  7:35       ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04  7:40         ` Yafang Shao
2020-05-04  8:03           ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04  6:56 ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04 13:54   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-04 14:11     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04 14:53       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-04 15:00         ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04 15:35           ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-04 15:39             ` Yafang Shao
2020-05-04 16:06             ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-04 19:23               ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-05  7:13                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-05 15:03                   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-05 16:57                     ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2020-05-05 15:27                 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-05 15:35                   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-05 15:49                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-05 16:40                     ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-04 14:20     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-04 14:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-05-04 15:44         ` Tetsuo Handa

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