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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: "Nick Desaulniers" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] Makefile: add -fno-builtin-stpcpy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:21:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202008181214.5C736E7@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82bbeff7-acc3-410c-9bca-3644b141dc1a@zytor.com>

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 03:31:26PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 2020-08-17 15:02, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > LLVM implemented a recent "libcall optimization" that lowers calls to
> > `sprintf(dest, "%s", str)` where the return value is used to
> > `stpcpy(dest, str) - dest`. This generally avoids the machinery involved
> > in parsing format strings. This optimization was introduced into
> > clang-12. Because the kernel does not provide an implementation of
> > stpcpy, we observe linkage failures for almost all targets when building
> > with ToT clang.
> > 
> > The interface is unsafe as it does not perform any bounds checking.
> > Disable this "libcall optimization" via `-fno-builtin-stpcpy`.
> > 
> > Unlike
> > commit 5f074f3e192f ("lib/string.c: implement a basic bcmp")
> > which cited failures with `-fno-builtin-*` flags being retained in LLVM
> > LTO, that bug seems to have been fixed by
> > https://reviews.llvm.org/D71193, so the above sha can now be reverted in
> > favor of `-fno-builtin-bcmp`.
> > 
> 
> stpcpy() and (to a lesser degree) mempcpy() are fairly useful routines
> in general. Perhaps we *should* provide them?

As Nick mentioned, I really don't want to expand the already bad
interfaces from libc. We have enough messes to clean up already, and I
don't want to add more. The kernel already uses a subset of C, we have
(several) separate non-libc memory allocators, we're using strscpy() and
scnprintf() widely in favor of their buggy libc counterparts, etc. We
don't need to match the libc string interfaces especially when they're
arguably bug-prone foot-guns. :)

-- 
Kees Cook

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-18 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-17 22:02 [PATCH 0/4] -ffreestanding/-fno-builtin-* patches Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 1/4] Makefile: add -fno-builtin-stpcpy Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-17 22:31   ` H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-17 23:36     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:21     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-08-18  7:10   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-08-18  7:25     ` Greg KH
2020-08-18  7:29       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-08-18  7:34         ` Greg KH
2020-08-18 19:23   ` Kees Cook
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 2/4] Revert "lib/string.c: implement a basic bcmp" Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18  5:44   ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-08-18 18:00     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:24       ` Kees Cook
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/boot: use -fno-builtin-bcmp Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:24   ` Kees Cook
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86: don't build CONFIG_X86_32 as -ffreestanding Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:24   ` Kees Cook
2021-01-07  0:27   ` Fangrui Song
2022-04-07 15:34   ` [tip: x86/build] x86/build: Don't " tip-bot2 for Nick Desaulniers
2022-04-07 17:01     ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-04-07 22:28       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-08-17 22:44 ` [PATCH 0/4] -ffreestanding/-fno-builtin-* patches H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-18 17:56   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:02     ` H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-18 19:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-18 19:25         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:58           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-19 12:19             ` Clement Courbet
2020-08-18 20:24         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 20:27           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 20:58             ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 21:41               ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 21:51                 ` Dávid Bolvanský
2020-08-18 21:59                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 22:05                   ` Dávid Bolvanský
2020-08-18 23:22                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-20 14:56                 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2020-08-20 17:56                   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-20 18:05                     ` Dávid Bolvanský
2020-08-20 23:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 17:29                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 17:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 18:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 19:14                             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 19:23                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 19:57                           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 20:03                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-21 21:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-22  0:12                               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-22 12:20                                 ` David Laight
2020-08-21  6:45                     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2020-08-24 15:57                 ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-08-24 17:34                   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-25  7:10                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-25  7:31                       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-25 12:28                       ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-08-25 14:02                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-26 13:28                           ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-08-18 21:53               ` David Laight
2020-08-20 22:41               ` H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-20 23:17                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 19:35       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 22:25 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 22:59   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 23:51     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-19  0:20     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-19  8:26   ` David Laight

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