From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Allen Pais <allen.lkml@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] linux/kernel.h: add container_from()
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 15:14:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202008271503.181A6A609@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200827213636.GF1236603@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:36:36PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 01:46:33PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > You really have to pick some pretty excessive type names (or variable
> > names) to get close to 80 characters. Again, to pick an example:
> >
> > struct timer_group_priv *priv = container_of(handle,
> > struct timer_group_priv, timer[handle->num]);
> >
> > ends up being long even if you were to split it, but that funky
> > container_from() wouldn't have helped the real problem - the fact that
> > the above is complex and nasty.
The point about doing the assignment with the declaration certainly makes
the "ugliness" worse, I agree. I'm still not generally convinced about
the redundancy level pros/cons, but I concede that having a common idiom
(rather than a succinct but subsystem-dependent idiom) is better for
people reading the code for the first time.
> > And I had to _search_ for that example. All the normal cases of
> > split-line container-of's were due to doing it with the declaration,
> > or beause the first argument ended up being an expression in itself
> > and the nested expressions made it more complex.
>
> Speaking of searching, this kind of typeof use is, IMO, actively
> harmful - it makes finding the places where we might get from
> e.g. linked list to containing objects much harder. container_of
> (unless combined with obfuscating use of typeof()) at least gives
> you a chance to grep - struct foo *not* followed by '*' is a pattern
> that doesn't give too many false positives. This one, OTOH, is
> essentially impossible to grep for.
And this observation about workflow does strike a chord with me. I do end
up with those kind of searches too. In trying to examine my preferences
here, I think my instincts are to avoid open-coded types (leading me to
want to use typeof()) but I think those instincts were actually developed
from dealing with _sizeof_ and all the way it goes terribly wrong. So,
okay, I'm convinced. container_of() it is.
Doing these conversions becomes a little less mechanical if assignment
needs to be split from declaration, but hey, we've got a 100 character
line "limit" now, so maybe it'll be less needed. :)
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-27 22:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-27 1:36 [PATCH] linux/kernel.h: add container_from() Allen Pais
2020-08-27 2:31 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-27 12:19 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-08-27 17:50 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-27 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-27 18:32 ` James Bottomley
2020-08-27 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-27 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-27 19:28 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-27 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-27 21:36 ` Al Viro
2020-08-27 22:14 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-08-28 7:09 ` Allen
2020-08-28 7:07 ` Allen
2020-08-27 18:07 ` Rasmus Villemoes
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