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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, dlustig@nvidia.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro]
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:13:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201003171338.GA323226@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <045c643f-6a70-dfdf-2b1e-f369a667f709@gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 12:16:31AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Just a minor nit in the litmus test.
> 
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 09:22:12 -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > To expand on my statement about the LKMM's weakness regarding control 
> > constructs, here is a litmus test to illustrate the issue.  You might 
> > want to add this to one of the archives.
> > 
> > Alan
> > 
> > C crypto-control-data
> > (*
> >  * LB plus crypto-control-data plus data
> >  *
> >  * Expected result: allowed
> >  *
> >  * This is an example of OOTA and we would like it to be forbidden.
> >  * The WRITE_ONCE in P0 is both data-dependent and (at the hardware level)
> >  * control-dependent on the preceding READ_ONCE.  But the dependencies are
> >  * hidden by the form of the conditional control construct, hence the 
> >  * name "crypto-control-data".  The memory model doesn't recognize them.
> >  *)
> > 
> > {}
> > 
> > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> > 	int r1;
> > 
> > 	r1 = 1;
> > 	if (READ_ONCE(*x) == 0)
> > 		r1 = 0;
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*y, r1);
> > }
> > 
> > P1(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*x, READ_ONCE(*y));
> 
> Looks like this one-liner doesn't provide data-dependency of y -> x on herd7.

You're right.  This is definitely a bug in herd7.

Luc, were you aware of this?

> When I changed P1 to
> 
> P1(int *x, int *y)
> {
> 	int r1;
> 
> 	r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*x, r1);
> }
> 
> and replaced the WRITE_ONCE() in P0 with smp_store_release(),
> I got the result of:
> 
> -----
> Test crypto-control-data Allowed
> States 1
> 0:r1=0;
> No
> Witnesses
> Positive: 0 Negative: 3
> Condition exists (0:r1=1)
> Observation crypto-control-data Never 0 3
> Time crypto-control-data 0.01
> Hash=9b9aebbaf945dad8183d2be0ccb88e11
> -----
> 
> Restoring the WRITE_ONCE() in P0, I got the result of:
> 
> -----
> Test crypto-control-data Allowed
> States 2
> 0:r1=0;
> 0:r1=1;
> Ok
> Witnesses
> Positive: 1 Negative: 4
> Condition exists (0:r1=1)
> Observation crypto-control-data Sometimes 1 4
> Time crypto-control-data 0.01
> Hash=843eaa4974cec0efae79ce3cb73a1278
> -----

What you should have done was put smp_store_release in P0 and left P1 in 
its original form.  That test should not be allowed, but herd7 says that 
it is.

> As this is the same as the expected result, I suppose you have missed another
> limitation of herd7 + LKMM.

It would be more accurate to say that we all missed it.  :-)  (And it's 
a bug in herd7, not a limitation of either herd7 or LKMM.)  How did you 
notice it?

> By the way, I think this weakness on control dependency + data dependency
> deserves an entry in tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt.
> 
> In the LIMITATIONS section, item #1 mentions some situation where
> LKMM may not recognize possible losses of control-dependencies by
> compiler optimizations.
> 
> What this litmus test demonstrates is a different class of mismatch.

Yes, one in which LKMM does not recognize a genuine dependency because 
it can't tell that some optimizations are not valid.

This flaw is fundamental to the way herd7 works.  It examines only one 
execution at a time, and it doesn't consider the code in a conditional 
branch while it's examining an execution where that branch wasn't taken.  
Therefore it has no way to know that the code in the unexecuted branch 
would prevent a certain optimization.  But the compiler does consider 
all the code in all branches when deciding what optimizations to apply.

Here's another trivial example:

	r1 = READ_ONCE(*x);
	if (r1 == 0)
		smp_mb();
	WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);

The compiler can't move the WRITE_ONCE before the READ_ONCE or the "if" 
statement, because it's not allowed to move shared memory accesses past 
a memory barrier -- even if that memory barrier isn't always executed.  
Therefore the WRITE_ONCE actually is ordered after the READ_ONCE, but 
the memory model doesn't realize it.

> Alan, can you come up with an update in this regard?

I'll write something.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-03 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-01  4:51 Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-01 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 16:36   ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 18:39     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 19:29       ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:01     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 13:22     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 15:16       ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-03 17:13         ` Alan Stern [this message]
2020-10-03 22:50           ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-04  1:40           ` [PATCH] tools: memory-model: Document that the LKMM can easily miss control dependencies Alan Stern
2020-10-04 21:07             ` joel
2020-10-04 23:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:15           ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Luc Maranget
2020-10-05 15:53             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 16:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 18:19                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 19:18                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 19:48                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-06 16:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 17:05                         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 17:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-07 19:40                             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 22:38                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08  2:25                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08  2:50                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08 14:01                                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08 18:32                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-04 23:31       ` Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  2:38         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05  8:20           ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05  9:12             ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:23               ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:13                 ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 15:16                   ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-05 15:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:16             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:24             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:44             ` joel
2020-10-05 15:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  8:36         ` David Laight
2020-10-05 13:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03 16:08     ` joel
2020-10-03 16:11       ` joel
2020-10-04 23:13         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:35   ` Jon Masters
2020-10-04 23:32     ` Paul E. McKenney

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