Re: [PATCH v5 1/5] arm64: Add framework to turn IPI as NMI

From: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
To: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com,
	Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>,
	Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>,
	Masayoshi Mizuma <msys.mizuma@gmail.com>,
	ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com, kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/5] arm64: Add framework to turn IPI as NMI
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:25:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201020122535.paym32gksuhcqtwq@holly.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFA6WYMEJb0o+PMmvLh1wDhZ+M4rChP3a1cNNoEsoMS1kDWwKA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 04:52:43PM +0530, Sumit Garg wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 15:38, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 2020-10-20 07:43, Sumit Garg wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 17:07, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >> > +{
> > >> > +     if (!ipi_desc)
> > >> > +             return;
> > >> > +
> > >> > +     if (is_nmi) {
> > >> > +             if (!prepare_percpu_nmi(ipi_id))
> > >> > +                     enable_percpu_nmi(ipi_id, IRQ_TYPE_NONE);
> > >> > +     } else {
> > >> > +             enable_percpu_irq(ipi_id, IRQ_TYPE_NONE);
> > >>
> > >> I'm not keen on this. Normal IRQs can't reliably work, so why do you
> > >> even bother with this?
> > >
> > > Yeah I agree but we need to support existing functionality for kgdb
> > > roundup and sysrq backtrace using normal IRQs as well.
> >
> > When has this become a requirement? I don't really see the point in
> > implementing something that is known not to work.
> >
> 
> For kgdb:
> 
> Default implementation [1] uses smp_call_function_single_async() which
> in turn will invoke IPI as a normal IRQ to roundup CPUs.
> 
> [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/kernel/debug/debug_core.c#n244
> 
> For sysrq backtrace:
> 
> Default implementation [2] fallbacks to smp_call_function() (IPI as a
> normal IRQ) to print backtrace in case architecture doesn't provide
> arch_trigger_cpumask_backtrace() hook.
> 
> [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/tty/sysrq.c#n250
> 
> So in general, IPI as a normal IRQ is still useful for debugging but
> it can't debug a core which is stuck in deadlock with interrupts
> disabled.
> 
> And since we choose override default implementations for pseudo NMI
> support, we need to be backwards compatible for platforms which don't
> possess pseudo NMI support.

Do the fallback implementations require a new IPI? The fallbacks
could rely on existing mechanisms such as the smp_call_function
family.

Daniel.