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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 11/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_IOASID_ALLOC/FREE
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:06:10 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211014150610.GS2744544@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YWezEY+CJBRY7uLj@yekko>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 03:33:21PM +1100, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au wrote:

> > If the HW can attach multiple non-overlapping IOAS's to the same
> > device then the HW is routing to the correct IOAS by using the address
> > bits. This is not much different from the prior discussion we had
> > where we were thinking of the PASID as an 80 bit address
> 
> Ah... that might be a workable approach.  And it even helps me get my
> head around multiple attachment which I was struggling with before.
> 
> So, the rule would be that you can attach multiple IOASes to a device,
> as long as none of them overlap.  The non-overlapping could be because
> each IOAS covers a disjoint address range, or it could be because
> there's some attached information - such as a PASID - to disambiguate.

Right exactly - it is very parallel to PASID

And obviously HW support is required to have multiple page table
pointers per RID - which sounds like PPC does (high/low pointer?)
 
> What remains a question is where the disambiguating information comes
> from in each case: does it come from properties of the IOAS,
> propertues of the device, or from extra parameters supplied at attach
> time.  IIUC, the current draft suggests it always comes at attach time
> for the PASID information.  Obviously the more consistency we can have
> here the better.

From a generic view point I'd say all are fair game. It is up to the
IOMMU driver to take the requested set of IOAS's, the "at attachment"
information (like PASID) and decide what to do, or fail.

> I can also see an additional problem in implementation, once we start
> looking at hot-adding devices to existing address spaces.  

I won't pretend to guess how to implement this :) Just from a modeling
perspective is something that works logically. If the kernel
implementation is too hard then PPC should do one of the other ideas.

Personally I'd probably try for a nice multi-domain attachment model
like PASID and not try to create/destroy domains.

As I said in my last email I think it is up to each IOMMU HW driver to
make these decisions, the iommufd framework just provides a
standardized API toward the attaching driver that the IOMMU HW must
fit into.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-14 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-19  6:38 [RFC 00/20] Introduce /dev/iommu for userspace I/O address space management Liu Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 01/20] iommu/iommufd: Add /dev/iommu core Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 15:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:51     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:59         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 14:10           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  9:18     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-15 11:18       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15 11:29         ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-19 16:57         ` Jacob Pan
2021-10-19 16:57           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-19 17:11             ` Jacob Pan
2021-10-19 17:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 02/20] vfio: Add device class for /dev/vfio/devices Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 15:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-21 23:56     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  0:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:07         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:31           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:22         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:50           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:09             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-21 19:56   ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22  0:56     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  2:08   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29 19:05     ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-30  2:43       ` David Gibson
2021-10-20 12:39     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 03/20] vfio: Add vfio_[un]register_device() Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 16:01   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-21 23:10     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  0:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  0:59         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  9:23         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:44             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 20:10             ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 22:34               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 22:45                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:45                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 23:52                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  0:38                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 23:56               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  0:54     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  1:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:02         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23  7:25         ` Eric Auger
2021-09-23 11:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  2:46         ` david
2021-09-29 12:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  2:48             ` david
2021-09-29  2:43   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  3:40     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  5:30     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  7:08       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-09-29 12:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 04/20] iommu: Add iommu_device_get_info interface Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 16:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  2:31     ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-22  5:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-29  2:52   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  9:25     ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-29  9:29       ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 05/20] vfio/pci: Register device to /dev/vfio/devices Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 16:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-21 21:09     ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-21 21:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:24         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  1:19       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 21:17         ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:49           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 06/20] iommu: Add iommu_device_init[exit]_user_dma interfaces Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:09   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:47     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:56         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27  9:42         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 11:34           ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-27 13:08             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 11:53           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-27 13:00             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 13:09               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-27 13:32                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 14:39                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28  7:13                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-28 11:54                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28 23:59                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 19:19                   ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-28  7:43                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-28 16:26                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-27 15:09           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28  7:30             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-28 11:57               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28 13:35                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-28 14:07                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  0:38                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29 12:59                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  1:29                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-15 11:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-18  1:52                             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  2:22                     ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-29  2:29                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  2:38                         ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-29  4:55   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  5:38     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  6:35       ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  7:31         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30  3:05           ` David Gibson
2021-09-29 12:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  3:09           ` David Gibson
2021-09-30 22:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-01  3:54               ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 07/20] iommu/iommufd: Add iommufd_[un]bind_device() Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  9:21     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-29  5:25   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29 12:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  3:10       ` David Gibson
2021-10-01 12:43         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-07  1:23           ` David Gibson
2021-10-07 11:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-11  3:24               ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 08/20] vfio/pci: Add VFIO_DEVICE_BIND_IOMMUFD Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 21:01     ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  6:00   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  6:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29 12:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29 22:34         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30  3:12       ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 09/20] iommu: Add page size and address width attributes Liu Yi L
2021-09-22 13:42   ` Eric Auger
2021-09-22 14:19     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 10/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_DEVICE_GET_INFO Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:30     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  6:18         ` david
2021-09-22 21:24   ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:49     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  3:10       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 10:15         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-23 11:27           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 12:05             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 12:22               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  8:48                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29 12:36                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  8:30                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30 10:33                       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-30 22:04                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-01  3:28                           ` hch
2021-10-14  8:13                             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  8:22                               ` hch
2021-10-14  8:29                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  8:01                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  9:16                           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-30  8:49                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30 13:43                   ` Lu Baolu
2021-10-01  3:24                     ` hch
2021-09-30 22:08                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 11:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2021-09-23  3:38         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 11:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  9:35             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30 22:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-01  3:30                 ` hch
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2021-10-21  2:26                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-21 14:58                         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-21 23:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-22  7:49                             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-25 16:51                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-21 23:30                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-22  3:08                           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-25 23:34                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-27  1:42                               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-28  2:07                               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-29 13:55                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  6:23   ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 11/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_IOASID_ALLOC/FREE Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:44   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:40     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 14:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  9:14         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 12:06           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 12:22             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 12:31               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 12:45                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 13:01                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 13:20                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 13:30                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 13:41                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-01  6:30               ` david
2021-10-01  6:26           ` david
2021-10-01  6:19         ` david
2021-10-01 12:25           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-02  4:21             ` david
2021-10-02 12:25               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-11  5:37                 ` david
2021-10-11 17:17                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2021-10-14 15:06                       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
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2021-09-22 12:51     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-22 13:32       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  6:26         ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-01  6:13     ` David Gibson
2021-10-01 12:22       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-11  6:02         ` David Gibson
2021-10-11  8:49           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-11 23:38             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-12  8:33               ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-13  7:14                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-13  7:07             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  4:38             ` David Gibson
2021-10-11 18:49           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-14  4:53             ` David Gibson
2021-10-14 14:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-18  3:50                 ` David Gibson
2021-10-18 17:42                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:45   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-29 10:47     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-01  6:11   ` David Gibson
2021-10-13  7:00     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  5:00       ` David Gibson
2021-10-14  6:53         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-25  5:05           ` David Gibson
2021-10-27  2:32             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 12/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_CHECK_EXTENSION Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:13         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 13/20] iommu: Extend iommu_at[de]tach_device() for multiple devices group Liu Yi L
2021-10-14  5:24   ` David Gibson
2021-10-14  7:06     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-18  3:57       ` David Gibson
2021-10-18 16:32         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-25  5:14           ` David Gibson
2021-10-25 12:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-25 13:16               ` David Gibson
2021-10-25 23:36                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-26  9:23                   ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 14/20] iommu/iommufd: Add iommufd_device_[de]attach_ioasid() Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 18:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:53     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:16         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 15/20] vfio/pci: Add VFIO_DEVICE_[DE]ATTACH_IOASID Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 18:04   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:56     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:17         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 16/20] vfio/type1: Export symbols for dma [un]map code sharing Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 18:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:57     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 17/20] iommu/iommufd: Report iova range to userspace Liu Yi L
2021-09-22 14:49   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-29 10:44     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-29 12:07       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-29 12:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 18/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_[UN]MAP_DMA on IOASID Liu Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 19/20] iommu/vt-d: Implement device_info iommu_ops callback Liu Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 20/20] Doc: Add documentation for /dev/iommu Liu Yi L
2021-10-29  0:15   ` David Gibson
2021-10-29 12:44     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:45 ` [RFC 00/20] Introduce /dev/iommu for userspace I/O address space management Liu, Yi L
2021-09-21 13:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:25   ` Liu, Yi L

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