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From: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
To: "Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/30] panic: Refactor the panic path
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 07:45:02 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220519234502.GA194232@MiWiFi-R3L-srv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d313eec2-96b6-04e3-35cd-981f103d010e@igalia.com>

On 05/15/22 at 07:47pm, Guilherme G. Piccoli wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 11:03, Petr Mladek wrote:
...... 
> > OK, the question is how to make it better. Let's start with
> > a clear picture of the problem:
> > 
> > 1. panic() has basically two funtions:
> > 
> >       + show/store debug information (optional ways and amount)
> >       + do something with the system (reboot, stay hanged)
> > 
> > 
> > 2. There are 4 ways how to show/store the information:
> > 
> >       + tell hypervisor to store what it is interested about
> >       + crash_dump
> >       + kmsg_dump()
> >       + consoles
> > 
> >   , where crash_dump and consoles are special:
> > 
> >      + crash_dump does not return. Instead it ends up with reboot.
> > 
> >      + Consoles work transparently. They just need an extra flush
> >        before reboot or staying hanged.
> > 
> > 
> > 3. The various notifiers do things like:
> > 
> >      + tell hypervisor about the crash
> >      + print more information (also stop watchdogs)
> >      + prepare system for reboot (touch some interfaces)
> >      + prepare system for staying hanged (blinking)
> > 
> >    Note that it pretty nicely matches the 4 notifier lists.
> > 
> 
> I really appreciate the summary skill you have, to convert complex
> problems in very clear and concise ideas. Thanks for that, very useful!
> I agree with what was summarized above.

I want to say the similar words to Petr's reviewing comment when I went
through the patches and traced each reviewing sub-thread to try to
catch up. Petr has reivewed this series so carefully and given many
comments I want to ack immediately.

I agree with most of the suggestions from Petr to this patch, except of
one tiny concern, please see below inline comment.

> 
> 
> > Now, we need to decide about the ordering. The main area is how
> > to store the debug information. Consoles are transparent so
> > the quesition is about:
> > 
> >      + hypervisor
> >      + crash_dump
> >      + kmsg_dump
> > 
> > Some people need none and some people want all. There is a
> > risk that system might hung at any stage. This why people want to
> > make the order configurable.
> > 
> > But crash_dump() does not return when it succeeds. And kmsg_dump()
> > users havn't complained about hypervisor problems yet. So, that
> > two variants might be enough:
> > 
> >     + crash_dump (hypervisor, kmsg_dump as fallback)
> >     + hypervisor, kmsg_dump, crash_dump
> > 
> > One option "panic_prefer_crash_dump" should be enough.
> > And the code might look like:
> > 
> > void panic()
> > {
> > [...]
> > 	dump_stack();
> > 	kgdb_panic(buf);
> > 
> > 	< ---  here starts the reworked code --- >
> > 
> > 	/* crash dump is enough when enabled and preferred. */
> > 	if (panic_prefer_crash_dump)
> > 		__crash_kexec(NULL);

I like the proposed skeleton of panic() and code style suggested by
Petr very much. About panic_prefer_crash_dump which might need be added,
I hope it has a default value true. This makes crash_dump execute at
first by default just as before, unless people specify
panic_prefer_crash_dump=0|n|off to disable it. Otherwise we need add
panic_prefer_crash_dump=1 in kernel and in our distros to enable kdump,
this is inconsistent with the old behaviour.

> > 
> > 	/* Stop other CPUs and focus on handling the panic state. */
> > 	if (has_kexec_crash_image)
> > 		crash_smp_send_stop();
> > 	else
> > 		smp_send_stop()
> > 
> 
> Here we have a very important point. Why do we need 2 variants of SMP
> CPU stopping functions? I disagree with that - my understanding of this
> after some study in architectures is that the crash_() variant is
> "stronger", should work in all cases and if not, we should fix that -
> that'd be a bug.
> 
> Such variant either maps to smp_send_stop() (in various architectures,
> including XEN/x86) or overrides the basic function with more proper
> handling for panic() case...I don't see why we still need such
> distinction, if you / others have some insight about that, I'd like to
> hear =)
> 
> 
> > 	/* Notify hypervisor about the system panic. */
> > 	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_hypervisor_list, 0, NULL);
> > 
> > 	/*
> > 	 * No need to risk extra info when there is no kmsg dumper
> > 	 * registered.
> > 	 */
> > 	if (!has_kmsg_dumper())
> > 		__crash_kexec(NULL);
> > 
> > 	/* Add extra info from different subsystems. */
> > 	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_info_list, 0, NULL);
> > 
> > 	kmsg_dump(KMSG_DUMP_PANIC);
> > 	__crash_kexec(NULL);
> > 
> > 	/* Flush console */
> > 	unblank_screen();
> > 	console_unblank();
> > 	debug_locks_off();
> > 	console_flush_on_panic(CONSOLE_FLUSH_PENDING);
> > 
> > 	if (panic_timeout > 0) {
> > 		delay()
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	/*
> > 	 * Prepare system for eventual reboot and allow custom
> > 	 * reboot handling.
> > 	 */
> > 	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_reboot_list, 0, NULL);
> 
> You had the order of panic_reboot_list VS. consoles flushing inverted.
> It might make sense, although I didn't do that in V1...
> Are you OK in having a helper for console flushing, as I did in V1? It
> makes code of panic() a bit less polluted / more focused I feel.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 	if (panic_timeout != 0) {
> > 		reboot();
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	/*
> > 	 * Prepare system for the infinite waiting, for example,
> > 	 * setup blinking.
> > 	 */
> > 	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_loop_list, 0, NULL);
> > 
> > 	infinite_loop();
> > }
> > 
> > 
> > __crash_kexec() is there 3 times but otherwise the code looks
> > quite straight forward.
> > 
> > Note 1: I renamed the two last notifier list. The name 'post-reboot'
> > 	did sound strange from the logical POV ;-)
> > 
> > Note 2: We have to avoid the possibility to call "reboot" list
> > 	before kmsg_dump(). All callbacks providing info
> > 	have to be in the info list. It a callback combines
> > 	info and reboot functionality then it should be split.
> > 
> > 	There must be another way to calm down problematic
> > 	info callbacks. And it has to be solved when such
> > 	a problem is reported. Is there any known issue, please?
> > 
> > It is possible that I have missed something important.
> > But I would really like to make the logic as simple as possible.
> 
> OK, I agree with you! It's indeed simpler and if others agree, I can
> happily change the logic to what you proposed. Although...currently the
> "crash_kexec_post_notifiers" allows to call _all_ panic_reboot_list
> callbacks _before kdump_.
> 
> We need to mention this change in the commit messages, but I really
> would like to hear the opinions of heavy users of notifiers (as
> Michael/Hyper-V) and the kdump interested parties (like Baoquan / Dave
> Young / Hayatama). If we all agree on such approach, will change that
> for V2 =)
> 
> Thanks again Petr, for the time spent in such detailed review!
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Guilherme
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-19 23:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-27 22:48 [PATCH 00/30] The panic notifiers refactor Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 01/30] x86/crash,reboot: Avoid re-disabling VMX in all CPUs on crash/restart Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 12:32   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 15:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-10 20:11     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 02/30] ARM: kexec: Disable IRQs/FIQs also on crash CPUs shutdown path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 16:26   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 18:20   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-04-29 21:38     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 21:45       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-29 21:56         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 22:00         ` Marc Zyngier
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 03/30] notifier: Add panic notifiers info and purge trailing whitespaces Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 18:03   ` Evan Green
2022-05-03 19:12     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 21:56       ` Evan Green
2022-05-04 12:45         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 11:38       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 13:04         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 17:20         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-10 19:40           ` John Ogness
2022-05-11 11:13             ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 05/30] misc/pvpanic: " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 12:14   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 13:00     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 10:58       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 13:03         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 06/30] soc: bcm: brcmstb: Document panic notifier action and remove useless header Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-02 15:38   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-05-02 15:47     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 07/30] mips: ip22: Reword PANICED to PANICKED " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-04 20:32   ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-05-04 21:26     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 08/30] powerpc/setup: Refactor/untangle panic notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-05 18:55   ` Hari Bathini
2022-05-05 19:28     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 12:50     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 13:53       ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-10 14:10         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 09/30] coresight: cpu-debug: Replace mutex with mutex_trylock on panic notifier Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  8:11   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2022-04-29 14:01     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 13:09     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 16:14       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2022-05-09 16:26         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 10/30] alpha: Clean-up the panic notifier code Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 14:13   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 14:16     ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-11 20:10       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 11/30] um: Improve panic notifiers consistency and ordering Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  8:30   ` Johannes Berg
2022-04-29 15:46     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 14:28   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-11 20:22     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-13 14:44       ` Johannes Berg
2022-05-15 22:12         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 12/30] parisc: Replace regular spinlock with spin_trylock on panic path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28 16:55   ` Helge Deller
2022-04-29 14:34     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-23 20:40     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-23 21:31       ` Helge Deller
2022-05-23 21:55         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 13/30] s390/consoles: Improve panic notifiers reliability Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 18:46   ` Heiko Carstens
2022-04-29 19:31     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 14/30] panic: Properly identify the panic event to the notifiers' callbacks Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 15:16   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 16:16     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 13:11       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 15:19         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 15/30] bus: brcmstb_gisb: Clean-up panic/die notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-02 15:38   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-05-02 15:50     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 15:28   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 15:32     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 16/30] drivers/hv/vmbus, video/hyperv_fb: Untangle and refactor Hyper-V panic notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 17:16   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 22:35     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 18:13       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-03 18:57         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 17/30] tracing: Improve panic/die notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29  9:22   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2022-04-29 13:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-04-29 13:46       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 13:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-04-29 14:44           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-11 11:45   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 15:33     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 18/30] notifier: Show function names on notifier routines if DEBUG_NOTIFIERS is set Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  1:01   ` Xiaoming Ni
2022-04-29 19:38     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 17:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-16 16:14       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 16:27   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 19/30] panic: Add the panic hypervisor notifier list Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 17:30   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 18:04     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 17:44       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-03 17:56         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:01   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 15:06     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 16:02       ` Evan Green
2022-05-17 13:28         ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 16:37           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-18  7:33             ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18 13:24               ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 13:57       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 16:42         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-18  7:38           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18 13:09             ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-18 22:17           ` Scott Branden
2022-05-19 12:19             ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-19 19:20               ` Scott Branden
2022-05-23 14:56                 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-24  8:04                   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18  7:58         ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18 13:16           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-19  7:03             ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-19 12:07               ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 20/30] panic: Add the panic informational " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 23:49   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-04-28  8:14   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2022-04-29 14:50     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:11   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 14:28     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 21/30] panic: Introduce the panic pre-reboot " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28 14:13   ` Alex Elder
2022-04-28 16:26   ` Corey Minyard
2022-04-29 15:18     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 16:04   ` Max Filippov
2022-04-29 19:34     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:33   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:05     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 16:18       ` Luck, Tony
2022-05-16 16:33         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 14:11           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 16:45             ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 17:02               ` Luck, Tony
2022-05-17 18:12                 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 19:07                   ` Luck, Tony
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 22/30] panic: Introduce the panic post-reboot " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 14:16   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-11 16:45     ` Heiko Carstens
2022-05-11 19:58       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:45   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:08     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 23/30] printk: kmsg_dump: Introduce helper to inform number of dumpers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 17:40   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-11 20:03     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:50       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:09         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 24/30] panic: Refactor the panic path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  0:28   ` Randy Dunlap
2022-04-29 16:04     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 14:25       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 17:53   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 20:38     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 17:31       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-03 18:06         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 15:16   ` d.hatayama
2022-05-09 16:39     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-12 14:03   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-15 22:47     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 10:21       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:32         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-19 23:45       ` Baoquan He [this message]
2022-05-20 11:23         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-24  8:01           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-24 10:18             ` Baoquan He
2022-05-24  8:32           ` Baoquan He
2022-05-24 14:44   ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-05-26 16:25     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-06-14 14:36       ` Petr Mladek
2022-06-15  9:36         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 25/30] panic, printk: Add console flush parameter and convert panic_print to a notifier Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:56   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:11     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 26/30] Drivers: hv: Do not force all panic notifiers to execute before kdump Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 27/30] powerpc: " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 28/30] panic: Unexport crash_kexec_post_notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 29/30] powerpc: ps3, pseries: Avoid duplicate call to kmsg_dump() on panic Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 30/30] um: Avoid duplicate call to kmsg_dump() Guilherme G. Piccoli

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