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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 00:10:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230708041049.2tdw6fnnjtqwuqlw@moria.home.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZKjd7nQxvzRDA2tK@casper.infradead.org>

On Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 04:54:22AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> One thing I particularly like about btrfs

:) 

> compared to ntfs3 is that it doesn't use old legacy code like the buffer
> heads, which means that it doesn't add to the technical debt.  From the
> page cache point of view, it's fairly clean.  I wish it used iomap, but
> iomap would need quite a lot of new features to accommodate everything
> bcachefs wants to do.  Maybe iomap will grow those features over time.

My big complaint with iomap is that it's still the old callback based
approach - an indirect function call into the filesystem to get a
mapping, then Doing Stuff, for every walk.

Instead of calling back and forth, we could be filling out a data
structure to represent the IO, then handing it off to the filesystem to
look up the mappings and send to the right place, splitting as needed.
Best part is, we already have such a data structure: struct bio. That's
the approach bcachefs takes.

It would be nice sharing the page cache management code, but like you
mentioned, iomap would have to grow a bunch of features. But, some of
those features other users might like: in particular bcachefs hangs disk
reservations and dirty sector (for i_blocks accounting) off the
pagecache, which to me is a total no brainer, it eliminates looking up
in a second data structure for e.g. the buffered write path.

Also worth noting - bcachefs has had large folio support for awhile now :)

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-08  4:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-26 21:46 [GIT PULL] bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-06-26 23:11 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  0:06   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  1:13     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  2:05       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  2:59         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  3:10           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 17:16           ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 20:15             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 22:05               ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-27 22:41                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:40                 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 14:48                   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2023-06-28 14:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28  3:16               ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28  4:01                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:58                   ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 15:22                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:56                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:45                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 16:57                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:33                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-28 17:52                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:44                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 21:17                           ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:13                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 22:33                               ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:55                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:14                                   ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:50                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29  1:00                                       ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-29  1:33                                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-29 11:18                                           ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-29 14:17                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 15:31                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-30  9:40                                               ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-06 15:20                                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:26                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 16:34                                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29  1:29                                       ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 20:15                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 17:54                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:54                       ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:14                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:04                           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:11                             ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  2:33       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  2:59         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  3:19           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-27  3:22             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  3:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-27  4:36   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 15:56 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:40   ` Josef Bacik
2023-07-06 17:38     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 19:17       ` Eric Sandeen
2023-07-06 19:31         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 21:19       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-06 22:43         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 13:13           ` Jan Kara
2023-07-07 13:52             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07  8:48         ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-07  9:18           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 16:26             ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 16:48               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 17:04                 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 17:26                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08  3:54               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-08  4:10                 ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2023-07-08  4:31                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 15:02                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-08 15:23                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 16:42                 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-09  1:16                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07  9:35           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07  2:04       ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-07 12:18       ` Brian Foster
2023-07-07 14:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12  2:54   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 19:48     ` Kees Cook
2023-07-12 19:57       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 22:10     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-12 23:57       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-09  1:27     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 15:54       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 16:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 18:02           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 18:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 17:52         ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11  2:47           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11  8:10             ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11  8:13               ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-10 22:39         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-10 23:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11  2:40             ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11  4:03             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11  5:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11  5:29                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11  5:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11  7:52                     ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 14:31                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11  3:45           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-21  0:09             ` Dave Chinner
2023-08-10 23:07         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-11 10:54         ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 12:58           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-14  7:25             ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:23               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 13:21           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 22:56             ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-14  7:21             ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:27               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-03  3:25 Kent Overstreet
2023-09-05 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06  0:00   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06  0:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-06 16:10       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06 17:57         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-08  9:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06 19:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 21:55       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:13         ` David Sterba
2023-09-06 23:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 23:46             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:53               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10  0:53       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:37   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07 23:40   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08  6:29     ` Martin Steigerwald
2023-09-08  9:11     ` Joshua Ashton
2023-09-06 22:28 ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-09-07  0:03   ` Kees Cook
2023-09-07 14:29     ` Chris Mason
2023-09-07 20:39     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08 10:50       ` Brian Foster
2023-09-08 23:05     ` Dave Chinner

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