From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
djwong@kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com, sandeen@redhat.com,
willy@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu, bfoster@redhat.com,
jack@suse.cz, andreas.gruenbacher@gmail.com, brauner@kernel.org,
peterz@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
dhowells@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 14:17:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2a06111-c8c6-cdb6-c8ac-ae7148742786@sandeen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230706173819.36c67pf42ba4gmv4@moria.home.lan>
On 7/6/23 12:38 PM, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> Right now what I'm hearing, in particular from Redhat, is that they want
> it upstream in order to commit more resources. Which, I know, is not
> what kernel people want to hear, but it's the chicken-and-the-egg
> situation I'm in.
I need to temper that a little. Folks in and around filesystems and
storage at Red Hat find bcachefs to be quite compelling and interesting,
and we've spent some resources in the past several months to
investigate, test, benchmark, and even do some bugfixing.
Upstream acceptance is going to be a necessary condition for almost any
distro to consider shipping or investing significantly in bcachefs. But
it's not a given that once it's upstream we'll immediately commit more
resources - I just wanted to clarify that.
It is a tough chicken and egg problem to be sure. That said, I think
you're right Kent - landing it upstream will quite likely encourage more
interest, users, and hopefully developers.
Maybe it'd be reasonable to mark bcachefs as EXPERIMENTAL or similar in
Kconfig, documentation, and printks - it'd give us options in case it
doesn't attract developers and Kent does get hit by a bus or decide to
go start a goat farm instead (i.e. in the worst case, it could be
yanked, having set expectations.)
-Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-06 19:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-26 21:46 [GIT PULL] bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-06-26 23:11 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 0:06 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 1:13 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 2:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 2:59 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 3:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 17:16 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 20:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 22:05 ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-27 22:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:40 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 14:48 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2023-06-28 14:58 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 3:16 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 4:01 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:58 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 15:22 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:56 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:45 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 16:57 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:33 ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-28 17:52 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:44 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 21:17 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 22:33 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:14 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:50 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 1:00 ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-29 1:33 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-29 11:18 ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-29 14:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 15:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-30 9:40 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-06 15:20 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:26 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 16:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 1:29 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 20:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 17:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:54 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:14 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:11 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 2:33 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 2:59 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 3:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-27 3:22 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 3:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-27 4:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 15:56 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:40 ` Josef Bacik
2023-07-06 17:38 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 19:17 ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2023-07-06 19:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 21:19 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-06 22:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 13:13 ` Jan Kara
2023-07-07 13:52 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 8:48 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-07 9:18 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 16:48 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 17:04 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 17:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 3:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-08 4:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 4:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 15:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-08 15:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 16:42 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-09 1:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 9:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 2:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-07 12:18 ` Brian Foster
2023-07-07 14:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 2:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 19:48 ` Kees Cook
2023-07-12 19:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 22:10 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-12 23:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-09 1:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 15:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 18:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 17:52 ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11 2:47 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 8:10 ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11 8:13 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-10 22:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-10 23:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11 2:40 ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11 4:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 5:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11 5:29 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 5:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11 7:52 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 14:31 ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11 3:45 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-21 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2023-08-10 23:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-11 10:54 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 12:58 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-14 7:25 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 13:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 22:56 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-14 7:21 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:27 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-03 3:25 Kent Overstreet
2023-09-05 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06 0:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06 0:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-06 16:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06 17:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-08 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06 19:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 21:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:13 ` David Sterba
2023-09-06 23:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 23:46 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10 0:53 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:37 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07 23:40 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08 6:29 ` Martin Steigerwald
2023-09-08 9:11 ` Joshua Ashton
2023-09-06 22:28 ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-09-07 0:03 ` Kees Cook
2023-09-07 14:29 ` Chris Mason
2023-09-07 20:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08 10:50 ` Brian Foster
2023-09-08 23:05 ` Dave Chinner
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