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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 00:22:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240324232215.GC20765@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240322184330.GL66976@ziepe.ca>

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 03:43:30PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> If we are going to make caller provided uniformity a requirement, lets
> imagine a formal memory type idea to help keep this a little
> abstracted?
> 
>  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_NORMAL
>  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_P2P_NOT_ACS
>  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_ENCRYPTED
>  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_BOUNCE_BUFFER  // ??
> 
> Then maybe the driver flow looks like:
> 
> 	if (transaction.memory_type == DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_NORMAL && dma_api_has_iommu(dev)) {

Add a nice helper to make this somewhat readable, but yes.

> 	} else if (transaction.memory_type == DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_P2P_NOT_ACS) {
> 		num_hwsgls = transcation.num_sgls;
> 		for_each_range(transaction, range) {
> 			hwsgl[i].addr = dma_api_p2p_not_acs_map(range.start_physical, range.length, p2p_memory_provider);
> 			hwsgl[i].len = range.size;
> 		}
> 	} else {
> 		/* Must be DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_NORMAL, DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_ENCRYPTED, DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_BOUNCE_BUFFER? */
> 		num_hwsgls = transcation.num_sgls;
> 		for_each_range(transaction, range) {
> 			hwsgl[i].addr = dma_api_map_cpu_page(range.start_page, range.length);
> 			hwsgl[i].len = range.size;
> 		}
>

And these two are really the same except that we call a different map
helper underneath.  So I think as far as the driver is concerned
they should be the same, the DMA API just needs to key off the
memory tap.

> And the hmm_range_fault case is sort of like:
> 
> 		struct dma_api_iommu_state state;
> 		dma_api_iommu_start(&state, mr.num_pages);
> 
> 		[..]
> 		hmm_range_fault(...)
> 		if (present)
> 			dma_link_page(&state, faulting_address_offset, page);
> 		else
> 			dma_unlink_page(&state, faulting_address_offset, page);
> 
> Is this looking closer?

Yes.

> > > So I take it as a requirement that RDMA MUST make single MR's out of a
> > > hodgepodge of page types. RDMA MRs cannot be split. Multiple MR's are
> > > not a functional replacement for a single MR.
> > 
> > But MRs consolidate multiple dma addresses anyway.
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this?

The RDMA MRs take a a list of PFNish address, (or SGLs with the
enhanced MRs from Mellanox) and give you back a single rkey/lkey.

> To go back to my main thesis - I would like a high performance low
> level DMA API that is capable enough that it could implement
> scatterlist dma_map_sg() and thus also implement any future
> scatterlist_v2, bio, hmm_range_fault or any other thing we come up
> with on top of it. This is broadly what I thought we agreed to at LSF
> last year.

I think the biggest underlying problem of the scatterlist based
DMA implementation for IOMMUs is that it's trying to handle to much,
that is magic coalescing even if the segments boundaries don't align
with the IOMMU page size.  If we can get rid of that misfeature I
think we'd greatly simply the API and implementation.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-24 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-05 11:18 [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 01/16] mm/hmm: let users to tag specific PFNs Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 02/16] dma-mapping: provide an interface to allocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 03/16] dma-mapping: provide callbacks to link/unlink pages to specific IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 04/16] iommu/dma: Provide an interface to allow preallocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 05/16] iommu/dma: Prepare map/unmap page functions to receive IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 06/16] iommu/dma: Implement link/unlink page callbacks Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 07/16] RDMA/umem: Preallocate and cache IOVA for UMEM ODP Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 08/16] RDMA/umem: Store ODP access mask information in PFN Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 09/16] RDMA/core: Separate DMA mapping to caching IOVA and page linkage Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 10/16] RDMA/umem: Prevent UMEM ODP creation with SWIOTLB Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 11/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly use number of pages instead of allocated length Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 12/16] vfio/mlx5: Rewrite create mkey flow to allow better code reuse Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 13/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly store page list Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 14/16] vfio/mlx5: Convert vfio to use DMA link API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 15/16] block: add dma_link_range() based API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 16/16] nvme-pci: use blk_rq_dma_map() for NVMe SGL Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 15:51   ` Keith Busch
2024-03-05 16:08     ` Jens Axboe
2024-03-05 16:39       ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-05 16:46         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-06 14:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-03 14:41   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-05 13:23     ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-05-06  7:25       ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-03-05 12:05 ` [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Robin Murphy
2024-03-05 12:29   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-06 14:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 17:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 22:14             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07  0:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07 15:05                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07 21:01                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-08 16:49                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-08 20:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-09 16:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-10  9:35                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-12 21:28                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-13  7:46                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-13 21:44                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-19 15:36                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20  8:55                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-21 22:40                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 17:46                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-24 23:16                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-21 22:39                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 18:43                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-24 23:22                                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-03-27 17:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07  6:01 ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-04-09 20:39   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-02 23:32 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-03 11:57   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-03 16:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-03 20:59     ` Zeng, Oak

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