linux-kernel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>, "Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	"Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"Yishai Hadas" <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Shameer Kolothum" <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	"Kevin Tian" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"Bart Van Assche" <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	"Damien Le Moal" <damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>,
	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"josef@toxicpanda.com" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	"daniel@iogearbox.net" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"jack@suse.com" <jack@suse.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	"Zhu Yanjun" <zyjzyj2000@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:05:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47afacda-3023-4eb7-b227-5f725c3187c2@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1709635535.git.leon@kernel.org>

On 2024-03-05 11:18 am, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> This is complimentary part to the proposed LSF/MM topic.
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-rdma/22df55f8-cf64-4aa8-8c0b-b556c867b926@linux.dev/T/#m85672c860539fdbbc8fe0f5ccabdc05b40269057
> 
> This is posted as RFC to get a feedback on proposed split, but RDMA, VFIO and
> DMA patches are ready for review and inclusion, the NVMe patches are still in
> progress as they require agreement on API first.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The DMA mapping operation performs two steps at one same time: allocates
> IOVA space and actually maps DMA pages to that space. This one shot
> operation works perfectly for non-complex scenarios, where callers use
> that DMA API in control path when they setup hardware.
> 
> However in more complex scenarios, when DMA mapping is needed in data
> path and especially when some sort of specific datatype is involved,
> such one shot approach has its drawbacks.
> 
> That approach pushes developers to introduce new DMA APIs for specific
> datatype. For example existing scatter-gather mapping functions, or
> latest Chuck's RFC series to add biovec related DMA mapping [1] and
> probably struct folio will need it too.
> 
> These advanced DMA mapping APIs are needed to calculate IOVA size to
> allocate it as one chunk and some sort of offset calculations to know
> which part of IOVA to map.

I don't follow this part at all - at *some* point, something must know a 
range of memory addresses involved in a DMA transfer, so that's where it 
should map that range for DMA. Even in a badly-designed system where the 
point it's most practical to make the mapping is further out and only 
knows that DMA will touch some subset of a buffer, but doesn't know 
exactly what subset yet, you'd usually just map the whole buffer. I 
don't see why the DMA API would ever need to know about anything other 
than pages/PFNs and dma_addr_ts (yes, it does also accept them being 
wrapped together in scatterlists; yes, scatterlists are awful and it 
would be nice to replace them with a better general DMA descriptor; that 
is a whole other subject of its own).

> Instead of teaching DMA to know these specific datatypes, let's separate
> existing DMA mapping routine to two steps and give an option to advanced
> callers (subsystems) perform all calculations internally in advance and
> map pages later when it is needed.

 From a brief look, this is clearly an awkward reinvention of the IOMMU 
API. If IOMMU-aware drivers/subsystems want to explicitly manage IOMMU 
address spaces then they can and should use the IOMMU API. Perhaps 
there's room for some quality-of-life additions to the IOMMU API to help 
with common usage patterns, but the generic DMA mapping API is 
absolutely not the place for it.

Thanks,
Robin.

> In this series, three users are converted and each of such conversion
> presents different positive gain:
> 1. RDMA simplifies and speeds up its pagefault handling for
>     on-demand-paging (ODP) mode.
> 2. VFIO PCI live migration code saves huge chunk of memory.
> 3. NVMe PCI avoids intermediate SG table manipulation and operates
>     directly on BIOs.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/169772852492.5232.17148564580779995849.stgit@klimt.1015granger.net
> 
> Chaitanya Kulkarni (2):
>    block: add dma_link_range() based API
>    nvme-pci: use blk_rq_dma_map() for NVMe SGL
> 
> Leon Romanovsky (14):
>    mm/hmm: let users to tag specific PFNs
>    dma-mapping: provide an interface to allocate IOVA
>    dma-mapping: provide callbacks to link/unlink pages to specific IOVA
>    iommu/dma: Provide an interface to allow preallocate IOVA
>    iommu/dma: Prepare map/unmap page functions to receive IOVA
>    iommu/dma: Implement link/unlink page callbacks
>    RDMA/umem: Preallocate and cache IOVA for UMEM ODP
>    RDMA/umem: Store ODP access mask information in PFN
>    RDMA/core: Separate DMA mapping to caching IOVA and page linkage
>    RDMA/umem: Prevent UMEM ODP creation with SWIOTLB
>    vfio/mlx5: Explicitly use number of pages instead of allocated length
>    vfio/mlx5: Rewrite create mkey flow to allow better code reuse
>    vfio/mlx5: Explicitly store page list
>    vfio/mlx5: Convert vfio to use DMA link API
> 
>   Documentation/core-api/dma-attributes.rst |   7 +
>   block/blk-merge.c                         | 156 ++++++++++++++
>   drivers/infiniband/core/umem_odp.c        | 219 +++++++------------
>   drivers/infiniband/hw/mlx5/mlx5_ib.h      |   1 +
>   drivers/infiniband/hw/mlx5/odp.c          |  59 +++--
>   drivers/iommu/dma-iommu.c                 | 129 ++++++++---
>   drivers/nvme/host/pci.c                   | 220 +++++--------------
>   drivers/vfio/pci/mlx5/cmd.c               | 252 ++++++++++++----------
>   drivers/vfio/pci/mlx5/cmd.h               |  22 +-
>   drivers/vfio/pci/mlx5/main.c              | 136 +++++-------
>   include/linux/blk-mq.h                    |   9 +
>   include/linux/dma-map-ops.h               |  13 ++
>   include/linux/dma-mapping.h               |  39 ++++
>   include/linux/hmm.h                       |   3 +
>   include/rdma/ib_umem_odp.h                |  22 +-
>   include/rdma/ib_verbs.h                   |  54 +++++
>   kernel/dma/debug.h                        |   2 +
>   kernel/dma/direct.h                       |   7 +-
>   kernel/dma/mapping.c                      |  91 ++++++++
>   mm/hmm.c                                  |  34 +--
>   20 files changed, 870 insertions(+), 605 deletions(-)
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-05 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-05 11:18 [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 01/16] mm/hmm: let users to tag specific PFNs Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 02/16] dma-mapping: provide an interface to allocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 03/16] dma-mapping: provide callbacks to link/unlink pages to specific IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 04/16] iommu/dma: Provide an interface to allow preallocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 05/16] iommu/dma: Prepare map/unmap page functions to receive IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 06/16] iommu/dma: Implement link/unlink page callbacks Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 07/16] RDMA/umem: Preallocate and cache IOVA for UMEM ODP Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 08/16] RDMA/umem: Store ODP access mask information in PFN Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 09/16] RDMA/core: Separate DMA mapping to caching IOVA and page linkage Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 10/16] RDMA/umem: Prevent UMEM ODP creation with SWIOTLB Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 11/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly use number of pages instead of allocated length Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 12/16] vfio/mlx5: Rewrite create mkey flow to allow better code reuse Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 13/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly store page list Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 14/16] vfio/mlx5: Convert vfio to use DMA link API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 15/16] block: add dma_link_range() based API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 16/16] nvme-pci: use blk_rq_dma_map() for NVMe SGL Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 15:51   ` Keith Busch
2024-03-05 16:08     ` Jens Axboe
2024-03-05 16:39       ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-05 16:46         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-06 14:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-03 14:41   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-05 13:23     ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-05-06  7:25       ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-03-05 12:05 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2024-03-05 12:29   ` [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-06 14:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 17:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 22:14             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07  0:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07 15:05                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07 21:01                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-08 16:49                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-08 20:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-09 16:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-10  9:35                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-12 21:28                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-13  7:46                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-13 21:44                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-19 15:36                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20  8:55                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-21 22:40                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 17:46                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-24 23:16                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-21 22:39                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 18:43                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-24 23:22                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-27 17:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07  6:01 ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-04-09 20:39   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-02 23:32 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-03 11:57   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-03 16:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-03 20:59     ` Zeng, Oak

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=47afacda-3023-4eb7-b227-5f725c3187c2@arm.com \
    --to=robin.murphy@arm.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=alex.williamson@redhat.com \
    --cc=amir73il@gmail.com \
    --cc=axboe@kernel.dk \
    --cc=bvanassche@acm.org \
    --cc=chaitanyak@nvidia.com \
    --cc=corbet@lwn.net \
    --cc=damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com \
    --cc=dan.j.williams@intel.com \
    --cc=daniel@iogearbox.net \
    --cc=hch@lst.de \
    --cc=iommu@lists.linux.dev \
    --cc=jack@suse.com \
    --cc=jgg@ziepe.ca \
    --cc=jglisse@redhat.com \
    --cc=joro@8bytes.org \
    --cc=josef@toxicpanda.com \
    --cc=kbusch@kernel.org \
    --cc=kevin.tian@intel.com \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=leon@kernel.org \
    --cc=leonro@nvidia.com \
    --cc=linux-block@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-doc@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org \
    --cc=linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=m.szyprowski@samsung.com \
    --cc=martin.petersen@oracle.com \
    --cc=sagi@grimberg.me \
    --cc=shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com \
    --cc=will@kernel.org \
    --cc=yishaih@nvidia.com \
    --cc=zyjzyj2000@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).