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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Sam Thompson <samuelt@caltech.edu>
Cc: "Vladimir V. Saveliev" <monstr@namesys.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:34:14 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B55BA86.5C4F7D80@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010717211401.A322@caltech.edu> <3B555A01.39A0CD5B@namesys.com> <3B5579E7.5090107@namesys.com> <20010718092632.A2001@caltech.edu>

It is very understandable that users should be less confident in the stability of our code than we
are.  At this time, hardware bugs that look very much like software bugs greatly outnumber software
bugs.  We find that if a bug is easy for the user to hit by doing something not especially unusual,
and it doesn't seem like recent VFS changes have caused it, it is almost surely a hardware bug
masquerading as a software bug.

Hans

Sam Thompson wrote:
> 
> I should have checked this first, but you were right. Memtest86 revealed I had a bad memory module. When I replaced it, everything began running flawlessly. I've been running for several hours with no problems.
> 
> Thank you very much,
> Sam
> 
> * Vladimir V. Saveliev (monstr@namesys.com) wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > If you are able to get a problem easily - would you mind to start with
> > simple hardware checking (just to ):
> > does your CPU's cooler rotate?
> > is CPU temperature ok?
> > check memory with some tool
> >
> > Thanks,
> > vs
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sam Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > >> First, please CC all replies to samuelt@caltech.edu, as I am not on the mailing list.
> > >>
> > >> The other day a computer of mine lost power and the ext2 fs was severely damaged
> > >> . I decided to reinstall debian using reiserfs to prevent this. I had no problems with installation, (I've done this same install on other computers) but as I started to untar backup tarballs I had made, I started noticing problems with what I believe is the filesystem.
> > >>
> > >> Tar/gzip will complain about crc errors in files: for example in a certain 40 mb file I can decompress fine on other computers. If I try to uncompress the same file immediately, it will fail at a different point, seemingly at random. Sometimes it works fine. Random debian packages I apt-get have the same problem. Sometimes they won't unpack properly, sometimes they will.
> > >>
> > >> I tried reinstall gzip several times, but I don't think the problems are limited to compressed files, just very obvious in critical situations like that.
> > >>
> > >> I can get complex software to run: xfree86 4.1, mozilla, etc, fine, although som
> > >> e files apparently go missing in some programs.
> > >>
> > >> Just now I got the following error message when deleting a tarball:
> > >>
> > >> vs-4080: reiserfs_free_block: free_block (0301:672040)[dev:blocknr]: bit already
> > >>  cleared
> > >>
> > >> Next, I took the hard drive to my other, stable computer and ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree on it, under the hopes that this would fix it. It did appear to fix it, but about 10 minutes later the symptoms came back.
> > >>
> > >> Here is 'debugreiserfs /dev/hda1' output:
> > >>
> > >> Super block of format 3.5 found on the 0x3 in block 16
> > >> Block count 4233112
> > >> Blocksize 4096
> > >> Free blocks 3900694
> > >> Busy blocks (skipped 16, bitmaps - 130, journal blocks - 8193
> > >> 1 super blocks, 324078 data blocks
> > >> Root block 8529
> > >> Journal block (first) 18
> > >> Journal dev 0
> > >> Journal orig size 8192
> > >> Filesystem state ERROR
> > >> Tree height 4
> > >> Hash function used to sort names: "tea"
> > >> Objectid map size 62, max 1004
> > >> Version 0
> > >>
> > >> Here is my relevant hardware:
> > >>
> > >> Motherboard: Asus A7V KT133 with 686A southbridge (NOT the 686B).
> > >> Harddrive: 30 gig ide maxtor/generic.
> > >>
> > >> I installed 2.4.6 to try and fix the problem, it didn't seem to help, although I do not clearly remember the difference between 2.2.17-patched and 2.4.6 in terms of the symptoms.
> > >>
> > >> I tried reinstalling once, but that did not help.
> > >>
> > >> I'm at a loss as to how to proceed. Any ideas?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your time,
> > >>
> > >> Sam
> > >> ---
> > >> samuelt@caltech.edu
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-18 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-18  4:14 ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Sam Thompson
2001-07-18  5:18 ` Steve Kieu
2001-07-18 16:22   ` Erik Mouw
2001-07-19  2:02     ` Steve Kieu
2001-07-19 13:28       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-19 15:50       ` Erik Mouw
2001-07-27 12:52     ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 12:55       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 13:24         ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 14:18           ` Joshua Schmidlkofer
2001-07-27 14:55             ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:02               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-27 16:06                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-07-27 22:02                 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-07-28 13:45               ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-28 16:15                 ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28 16:45                 ` Marcus Meissner
2001-07-28 16:45                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-29 10:19                   ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-29 11:04                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-30 10:08                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 19:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 20:30                       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 20:49                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 21:05                           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:29                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 21:44                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:48                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:57                                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-30 21:58                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-31  7:45                                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-07-31  9:55                                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 10:24                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-07-31 10:24                                     ` Anders Eriksson
2001-07-31 10:32                                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 17:01                                       ` [OT] " J Sloan
2001-07-30 21:59                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-30 22:34                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 11:34                                 ` David Weinehall
2001-07-31 12:22                                   ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption (patch to cause redhat to unmount reiserfs on halt included) Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 12:37                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-31 13:12                                       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 22:41                               ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Kip Macy
2001-07-30 22:50                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 21:13                           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:21                           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:49                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-31  2:34                               ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-30 22:04                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-30 22:36                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 22:53                                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-30 23:12                                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 10:32                                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 10:59                                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 11:42                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 13:41                                     ` Chris Mason
2001-07-31 15:15                                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 15:58                                         ` Chris Mason
2001-07-31 15:22                                       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 15:49                                         ` Chris Mason
2001-07-31 22:08                               ` Jussi Laako
2001-07-31 22:32                                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-07-31 23:45                                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05 22:19                                   ` CRC loop method (was Re: ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption) Pavel Machek
2001-08-01 16:23                                 ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Andreas Dilger
2001-08-02 13:44                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-27 15:06             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-27 15:33               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 16:30                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-27 16:49                   ` Early Flush Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:07             ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-27 16:39             ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-27 16:57               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:28                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-27 17:45                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:10               ` Steve Lord
2001-07-27 14:48           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:04             ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 15:38               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:29                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-07-27 18:47                   ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 19:22                     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28  6:19                       ` bvermeul
2001-07-28  7:39                         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 19:30                     ` Jussi Laako
2001-07-28  6:21                       ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 21:49                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-27 20:49                 ` Lehmann 
2001-07-28 14:13           ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-28 14:40             ` bvermeul
2001-07-18  9:42 ` Hans Reiser
     [not found]   ` <3B5579E7.5090107@namesys.com>
2001-07-18 16:26     ` Sam Thompson
2001-07-18 16:34       ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2001-07-18 13:09 ` Andre Pang
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-07-27 13:27 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 13:38   ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 13:39     ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 13:47       ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 13:49         ` Alan Cox
2001-07-28 14:16       ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-08-08 18:42       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-07-27 14:16   ` Philip R. Auld
2001-07-27 14:38     ` Jordan
2001-07-27 14:51     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:12       ` Philip R. Auld
2001-07-27 14:23   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 14:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-28 14:18   ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-28 16:25     ` Alan Cox
2001-07-29 10:15       ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-29 11:10         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-29 14:28           ` Luigi Genoni
2001-07-29 11:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-27 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 15:26   ` Joshua Schmidlkofer
2001-07-27 15:46     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:46       ` Christoph Rohland
2001-07-27 18:02         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 18:10       ` Dustin Byford
2001-07-27 19:20         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28 16:10       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-07-27 15:31   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 16:25     ` Kip Macy
2001-07-27 17:29       ` Ville Herva
2001-07-27 17:40         ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 17:43           ` Ville Herva
2001-07-27 20:46   ` Lehmann 
2001-07-27 21:13     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:51 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 16:41   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 16:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 21:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 21:47   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 22:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-28  7:36   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28 14:08     ` Chris Mason
2001-07-27 15:13 Cress, Andrew R
2001-07-30 15:24 Chris Mason
2001-07-30 15:47 ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-30 16:04   ` Chris Mason

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