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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@caldera.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Vitaly Fertman <vitaly@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:44:24 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B65D538.17FEA0E0@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200107281645.f6SGjA620666@ns.caldera.de> <3B653211.FD28320@namesys.com> <20010730210644.A5488@caldera.de> <3B65C3D4.FF8EB12D@namesys.com> <20010730224930.A18311@caldera.de> <3B65CC07.24E3EF4C@namesys.com> <20010730232956.A20969@caldera.de>

Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 01:05:11AM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
> > There is nothing like a distro maintainer
> 
>         [NOTE:  I do not maintain the Caldera kernel RPM, but I was
>                 involved in the decision to turn reiserfs debugging on]
> 
> > overriding the design decisions made
> > by the lead architect of a package, not believing that said architect knows what
> > the fuck he is doing.
> 
> Reiserfs lately had a lot of stability issues, reports of data corruption
> and as you said before you don't considere the reiserfs version in 2.4.2-ac
> stable yourself.
> 
> The averange user will not blame you if he loses data through a problem
> in reiserfs but the distribtuion, even if this filesystem is clearly
> marked unsupported.
> 
> >
> > We will make this unusable by you from this point onwards.
> >
> 
> I do not see the debug kernel removed from the official kernel tree
> before reiserfs has proven known stable.
> 
> Of course there is still the option of CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=n if you
> intentionally want to make your filesystem less acceptable..
> 
>         Christoph
> 
> --
> Of course it doesn't work. We've performed a software upgrade.

We'd rather be off, than have debug on.  Debug is not designed to be on, unless
you are debugging.  Most users don't know that you have turned debug on.  They
just think ReiserFS isn't as fast as their SuSE using friends say it is.  We
will make sure users know that their distro has turned debug on.

Hans

  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-30 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-18  4:14 ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Sam Thompson
2001-07-18  5:18 ` Steve Kieu
2001-07-18 16:22   ` Erik Mouw
2001-07-19  2:02     ` Steve Kieu
2001-07-19 13:28       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-19 15:50       ` Erik Mouw
2001-07-27 12:52     ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 12:55       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 13:24         ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 14:18           ` Joshua Schmidlkofer
2001-07-27 14:55             ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:02               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-27 16:06                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-07-27 22:02                 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-07-28 13:45               ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-28 16:15                 ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28 16:45                 ` Marcus Meissner
2001-07-28 16:45                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-29 10:19                   ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-29 11:04                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-30 10:08                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 19:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 20:30                       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 20:49                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 21:05                           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:29                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 21:44                               ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2001-07-30 21:48                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:57                                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-30 21:58                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-31  7:45                                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-07-31  9:55                                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 10:24                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-07-31 10:24                                     ` Anders Eriksson
2001-07-31 10:32                                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 17:01                                       ` [OT] " J Sloan
2001-07-30 21:59                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-30 22:34                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 11:34                                 ` David Weinehall
2001-07-31 12:22                                   ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption (patch to cause redhat to unmount reiserfs on halt included) Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 12:37                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-31 13:12                                       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 22:41                               ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Kip Macy
2001-07-30 22:50                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-30 21:13                           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:21                           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 21:49                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-31  2:34                               ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-30 22:04                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-30 22:36                               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-30 22:53                                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-30 23:12                                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 10:32                                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 10:59                                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 11:42                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 13:41                                     ` Chris Mason
2001-07-31 15:15                                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-31 15:58                                         ` Chris Mason
2001-07-31 15:22                                       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-31 15:49                                         ` Chris Mason
2001-07-31 22:08                               ` Jussi Laako
2001-07-31 22:32                                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-07-31 23:45                                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05 22:19                                   ` CRC loop method (was Re: ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption) Pavel Machek
2001-08-01 16:23                                 ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Andreas Dilger
2001-08-02 13:44                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-27 15:06             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-27 15:33               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 16:30                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-27 16:49                   ` Early Flush Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:07             ` ReiserFS / 2.4.6 / Data Corruption Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-27 16:39             ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-27 16:57               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:28                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-27 17:45                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:10               ` Steve Lord
2001-07-27 14:48           ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:04             ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 15:38               ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:29                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-07-27 18:47                   ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 19:22                     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28  6:19                       ` bvermeul
2001-07-28  7:39                         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 19:30                     ` Jussi Laako
2001-07-28  6:21                       ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 21:49                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-27 20:49                 ` Lehmann 
2001-07-28 14:13           ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-28 14:40             ` bvermeul
2001-07-18  9:42 ` Hans Reiser
     [not found]   ` <3B5579E7.5090107@namesys.com>
2001-07-18 16:26     ` Sam Thompson
2001-07-18 16:34       ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-18 13:09 ` Andre Pang
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-07-27 13:27 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 13:38   ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 13:39     ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 13:47       ` bvermeul
2001-07-27 13:49         ` Alan Cox
2001-07-28 14:16       ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-08-08 18:42       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-07-27 14:16   ` Philip R. Auld
2001-07-27 14:38     ` Jordan
2001-07-27 14:51     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:12       ` Philip R. Auld
2001-07-27 14:23   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 14:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-28 14:18   ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-28 16:25     ` Alan Cox
2001-07-29 10:15       ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-07-29 11:10         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-29 14:28           ` Luigi Genoni
2001-07-29 11:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-07-27 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 15:26   ` Joshua Schmidlkofer
2001-07-27 15:46     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 17:46       ` Christoph Rohland
2001-07-27 18:02         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 18:10       ` Dustin Byford
2001-07-27 19:20         ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28 16:10       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-07-27 15:31   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 16:25     ` Kip Macy
2001-07-27 17:29       ` Ville Herva
2001-07-27 17:40         ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 17:43           ` Ville Herva
2001-07-27 20:46   ` Lehmann 
2001-07-27 21:13     ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 15:51 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 16:41   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 16:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 21:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-27 21:47   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-27 22:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-28  7:36   ` Hans Reiser
2001-07-28 14:08     ` Chris Mason
2001-07-27 15:13 Cress, Andrew R
2001-07-30 15:24 Chris Mason
2001-07-30 15:47 ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-30 16:04   ` Chris Mason

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