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From: "Peter Wächtler" <pwaechtler@loewe-komp.de>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:47:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C9EF242.6080106@loewe-komp.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16pKE0-0004Rb-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au>

Rusty Russell wrote:

> In message <3C9E1A10.F7AA6D6E@loewe-komp.de> you write:
> 
>>I can't see a reason why the ack-futex is needed. I think we can simply
>>delete it.
>>When deleted, the broadcast wouldn't block on ack (also preventing 
>>schedule ping-pong). With the cond->lock it's save to have several
>>broadcasters. That's fine.
>>
> 
> No, you might end up waking someone who did the pthread_cond_wait()
> after you did the pthread_cond_broadcast in place of one of the
> existing pthread_cond_wait() threads.
> 
> I don't believe this is allowed.  
> 


Indeed, I suspect that this isn't wanted.
With the cond->lock you almost prevent this: an ongoing broadcast
can't be intermixed with newly incoming waiters (they will block
on futex_down(&cond->lock))
But there is the window between a->b...


> 
>>But:
>>static int __pthread_cond_wait(pthread_cond_t *cond,
>>                               pthread_mutex_t *mutex,
>>                               const struct timespec *reltime)
>>{
>>        int ret;
>>
>>        /* Increment first so broadcaster knows we are waiting. */
>>	futex_down(&cond->lock);
>>        atomic_inc(cond->num_waiting);
>>(*)     futex_up(&mutex, 1);
>>a)	futex_up(&cond->lock, 1);  [move into syscall]
>>        do {
>>b)                ret = futex_down_time(&cond, ABSTIME); [cond_timed_wait]
>>        } while (ret < 0 && errno == EINTR);
>>	[futex_up(&cond->lock, 1); /* release condvar */]
>>
>>        futex_down(&mutex->futex);
>>        return ret;
>>}
>>
>>With the original code, we have a "signal/broadcast lost window (a->b)" 
>>that shouldn't be there:
>>
> 
> Where?  Having done the inc, the futex_up at (a) will fall through,
> giving the "thread behaves as if it [signal or broadcast] were issued
> after the about-to-block thread has blocked."
> 
Right after (a) another thread gets scheduled, issueing a signal/broadcast.

Ah, and then the futex_down_timed() wouldn't block, OK ;-)
But this way you have to use the ack->lock

 

I strongly believe, that the implementation of a condvar needs a lock
to prevent intermixed calls. You will see my comment on your implementation
with uwaitq. ;-)





  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-25  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-13  9:12 [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores) Martin Wirth
2002-03-13 19:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-13 19:52   ` Dave McCracken
2002-03-13 22:17     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-13 20:06   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15  7:31 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-15  8:41   ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-15 15:29     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-15 16:23     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-16  0:12       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-16 11:23         ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-18  0:52           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-19  3:28             ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-19  4:05               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-20  6:20                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-20 10:42                   ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-20 17:20                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-19  8:34               ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-20  6:45                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-21  6:48                   ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-24 18:25                     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-25  2:28                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25  4:46                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25 11:56                           ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-26  1:02                             ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-26  8:17                               ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-26 23:10                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-27 21:05                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-27 23:53                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25  9:47                         ` Peter Wächtler [this message]
2002-03-16 19:48         ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-17  6:50         ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-05  7:01 Rusty Russell
2002-03-05 22:39 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-05 23:16   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-05 23:26     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-05 23:37       ` Peter Svensson
2002-03-05 23:50         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08  0:07       ` Richard Henderson
2002-03-06  1:46   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06  2:03     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 19:03   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 19:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 20:29       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 20:48         ` Matthew Kirkwood
2002-03-08 21:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:15           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:36             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 23:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:56               ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-09  2:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 14:14                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-09  0:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-09  1:15                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 19:41                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 20:49                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-10 19:58                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-10 20:40                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 20:28                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-10 21:05                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13  7:40                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-13 16:37                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12  9:35                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-03-08 20:40       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 20:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 22:55         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:38           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 23:44           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 20:47       ` george anzinger
2002-03-08 23:02         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:47           ` george anzinger
2002-03-09  1:11             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-09  1:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-09  4:49     ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-11 22:45       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 23:12         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-12  7:20         ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-12 14:56           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-13  4:02             ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-12 17:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-13  2:57             ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-09  4:51 ` Rusty Russell

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