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From: Michael Hunold <hunold@convergence.de>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>,
	"Marcus Metzler" <mocm@metzlerbros.de>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	mocm@mocm.de, "Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Johannes Stezenbach" <js@convergence.de>
Subject: Re: DVB Include files
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:18:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EFAAC69.6090709@convergence.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1056582481.1998.20.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk>

Hello Alan and others,

>>So you don't recompile, but you still changed the magic ioctl numbers
>>from 17 to 47 and from 18 to 48.  Old binaries don't work any more,
>>even though the same semantics are still present.  That is an
>>incompatible change in my book.
>>
>>Worse if there is a new semantic for 17 or 18, in that case the old
>>binaries may break randomly, depending on kernel version.
> 
> 
> Sure but you keep old ones around once its stable. This is a completely
> pointless conversation to have before 2.6.0-test kernels. There isnt a
> stable in kernel dvb api yet because its not been shipped in a stable
> kernel.
> 
> (Although I'd note the api has been as stable if not more stable than
> some in kernel stuff 8))

Amen. That's exactly the point -- the v3 dvb api is stable and hasn't
changed for a long time.

So, to make a long story short:

In include/linux/dvb we have the headers that are shared between user
applications and the kernel driver. As I said above, these are stable and
never change for the v3 api. In an ideal world, these header files would
be included in your glibc distribution at /usr/include/linux/dvb
Currently, you must copy them by hand or create a symlink, because there
hasn't been an official kernel with the dvb driver subsystem yet.

The whole discussion was about the *in-kernel* header files in
drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core. These are used in drivers/media/dvb/frontends
for example, so we currently have one line in the Makefile that says to
have drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core in the include path.

This was the original point Sam Ravnborg was wondering about. It's safe to
move these files to inlude/dvb and get rid of the magic line in the
Makefile.

CU
Michael.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-26  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-25 15:06 DVB Include files Sam Ravnborg
2003-06-25 15:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 15:42   ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-06-25 16:17     ` Michael Hunold
2003-06-25 16:49       ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 16:55         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 17:13           ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 17:16             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 17:22               ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 17:24                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 17:30                   ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 17:50                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 18:09                       ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 18:15                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 18:43                           ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 19:42                             ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-25 20:09                               ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 20:23                                 ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-25 20:48                                   ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-25 21:03                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 21:38                                       ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-26 13:54                                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-25 23:08                                   ` Alan Cox
2003-06-26  8:18                                     ` Michael Hunold [this message]
2003-06-26  8:24                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-26 13:20                                         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2003-06-25 21:03                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-25 17:27           ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-25 17:49             ` Christoph Hellwig

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