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From: "Ihar 'Philips' Filipau" <filia@softhome.net>
To: Werner Almesberger <werner@almesberger.net>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: TOE brain dump
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:55:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F2E1F7B.3020906@softhome.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030803151000.D10280@almesberger.net>

Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Ihar 'Philips' Filipau wrote:
> 
>>    Modern NPUs generally do this.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, they don't - they run *some* code, but that
> is rarely a Linux kernel, or a substantial part of it.
> 

   Embedded CPU we are using is based MIPS, and has a lot of specialized 
instructions.
   It makes not that much sense to run kernel (especially Linux) on CPU 
which is optimized for handling of network packets. (And has actually 
several co-processors to help in this task).
   How much sense it makes to run general purpose OS (optimized for PCs 
and servers) on devices which can make only couple of functions? (and no 
MMU btw)

   It is a whole idea behind this kind of CPUs - to do a few of 
functions - but to do them good.

   If you will start stretching CPUs like this to fit Linux kernel - it 
will generally just increase price. Probably there are some markets 
which can afford this.

   Remeber - "Small is beatiful" (c) - and linux kernel far from it.
   Our routing code which handles two GE interfaces (actually not pure 
GE, but up to 2.5GB) fits into 3k. 3k of code - and that's it. not 650kb 
of bzip compressed bloat. And it handles two interfaces, handles fast 
data path from siblign interfaces, handles up to 1E6 routes. 3k of code. 
not 650k of bzip.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-04  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <g83n.8vu.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-03 12:13 ` TOE brain dump Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-03 18:10   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04  8:55     ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau [this message]
2003-08-04 13:08       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-04 19:32       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 19:48         ` David Lang
2003-08-04 19:56           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 20:01             ` David Lang
2003-08-04 20:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 20:24                 ` David Lang
2003-08-05  1:38                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-05  1:46                     ` David Lang
2003-08-05  1:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-05  2:30                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06  1:47                           ` Val Henson
2003-08-05  3:04                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 23:30           ` Peter Chubb
2003-08-04 18:36 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-08-04 19:03 ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <gq0f.8bj.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <gvCD.4mJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <gJmp.7Th.33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <gNpS.2YJ.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-04 14:15       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 14:56         ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-04 15:51           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-02 17:04 Werner Almesberger
2003-08-02 17:32 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2003-08-02 18:06   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-02 19:08   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-02 21:49     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03  6:40       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-03 17:57         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 18:27           ` Erik Andersen
2003-08-03 19:40             ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 20:13               ` David Lang
2003-08-03 20:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 21:21                   ` David Lang
2003-08-03 23:44                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-05 19:28                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-03 20:34               ` jamal
2003-08-04  1:47         ` Glen Turner
2003-08-04  3:48           ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-06  7:12         ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10308060009130.25045-100000@master.linux-ide .org>
2003-08-06  8:20           ` Lincoln Dale
2003-08-06  8:22             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-06 13:07               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-03 19:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-04 19:24         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 19:26           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-05 17:19           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-06  5:13             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06  7:58               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-06 13:37                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06 15:58                   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 16:27                     ` Chris Friesen
2003-08-06 17:01                       ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 17:55                         ` Matti Aarnio
2003-08-07  2:14                         ` Lincoln Dale
2003-08-06 12:46             ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-06 16:25               ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 18:58                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-06 19:39                   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 21:13                     ` David Schwartz
2003-08-03  4:01     ` Ben Greear
2003-08-03  6:22       ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03  6:41         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-03  8:25         ` David Lang
2003-08-03 18:05           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 22:02           ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03 20:52       ` Alan Cox
2003-08-04 14:36     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-08-04 17:19       ` Alan Shih
2003-08-05  8:15         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-08-02 20:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-02 22:14   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 20:51     ` Alan Cox

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