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From: Scott Robert Ladd <coyote@coyotegulch.com>
To: Alex Belits <abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us>
Cc: Joseph Pingenot <trelane@digitasaru.net>,
	Dax Kelson <dax@gurulabs.com>, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	andersen@codepoet.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:06:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FA08E5A.2090609@coyotegulch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0310291848590.11170@sm1420.belits.com>

Alex Belits wrote:
>   There is another possibility -- that the only implementation of the
> standardized indexable/searchable format that Microsoft wants to base this
> system on is a horrendous resource pig, infected with inflexible
> restrictions and requirements...

I suspect one motivation for Longhorn's file system is DRM, encoded into 
the metadata.

I don't think Hans' original message was suggesting that we clone 
Microsoft's new file system. Rather, my impression was that he was 
interested in the kind of functionality envisioned by Microsoft, and in 
pre-empting any conceptual patents Redmond might be planning.

It might be very interesting to peruse Microsoft's recent patent 
applications...

>   What most of XML-based formats certainly are. If further development
> will blindly take this road, we will lose huge amount of flexibility in
> exchange for a certain Microsoft-compatible (for a while) system of
> organizing data.

I am not fond of XML in many circumstances; it is inefficient both in 
terms of storage and processing, and is overkill for many applications. 
A files system should be mean and lean, even when it implements advanced 
features like metadata. So I think we're in agreement that Linux should 
find a better path to a similar solution.

And do it soon, before Microsoft patents the concept of a file system 
itself!

-- 
Scott Robert Ladd
Coyote Gulch Productions (http://www.coyotegulch.com)
Software Invention for High-Performance Computing


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-30  4:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-29  8:50 Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-29 23:03   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:25     ` Dax Kelson
2003-10-30  0:20       ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  0:54         ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  1:34           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  2:54             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-10-30  2:58               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-10-30  3:16               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  5:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-30  5:56                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-30  3:16             ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  3:39               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 10:27             ` Thorsten Körner
2003-10-30 21:28             ` jlnance
2003-10-30 22:29               ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-31  2:03                 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:04               ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-10-30  2:09         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-30  3:12           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  4:21             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-31 16:42               ` Timothy Miller
2003-10-31 19:15                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:52             ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  4:06           ` Scott Robert Ladd [this message]
2003-10-30  1:52   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30  2:03     ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  9:23       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  3:57     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  4:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-30 13:46       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-31  4:50       ` Stephen Satchell
2003-10-30  7:33     ` Diego Calleja García
2003-10-30  8:43       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  8:05     ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  8:17       ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-10-30 11:59         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:14       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  9:55         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 17:48       ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 19:23         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 20:31           ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31  7:40             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 19:30               ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 20:47                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 13:59                   ` Herman
2003-10-31 21:23                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-01 18:30                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 21:08                   ` David S. Miller
2003-11-02 21:42                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-03 12:42                 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-11-03 16:58                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-04  8:13                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-05 13:51                       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-05  2:07                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 11:01         ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-10-31 13:52           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-30 11:21     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-30  7:25 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-10-30  8:10   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] ` <200311011731.10052.ioe-lkml@rameria.de>
     [not found]   ` <3FA3FF46.7010309@namesys.com>
2003-11-03 10:55     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-04  8:10       ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] <LUlv.31e.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <M7iG.41B.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <MagC.82U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <Maqe.8l3.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 11:10       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-10-30 17:23         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-31  1:46           ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:57             ` Philippe Troin
     [not found]     ` <Mcig.2uf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mcs2.2FJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:04         ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
     [not found]     ` <Mg2B.7wf.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mh8n.BT.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <MhLf.1pF.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:16           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-02 13:11 Brian Beattie
2003-11-02 17:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 19:35   ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:17     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 20:23       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 20:54         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 21:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 22:06             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-04  8:47           ` Michael Clark
2003-11-04 12:47             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-04 14:02           ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:55         ` Roland Dreier
2003-11-04  0:35     ` Daniel B.
2003-11-04 14:05       ` Brian Beattie

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