From: Scott Robert Ladd <coyote@coyotegulch.com>
To: trelane@digitasaru.net
Cc: Alex Belits <abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us>,
Dax Kelson <dax@gurulabs.com>, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
andersen@codepoet.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:21:17 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FA091BD.2020701@coyotegulch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031030031223.GA15309@digitasaru.net>
Joseph Pingenot wrote:
> Actually, the point isn't to be Microsoft-compatible; rather, it's to
> aid in the indexing of information for quick search and cross-reference
> (their thrust at the 'knowledge worker').
Exactly. In my experience the most significant problem programmers face
is inventing a system for categorizing and organizing information. I
have 20 years of collected data on everything from fly fishing to solar
sails; lord knows I can't ever find anything, no matter how carefully I
organize my directories.
Another problem with metadata is that it is largely generated by the
user, who is notoriously lazy. A truly powerful system would use
contextual analysis and other algorithms to automatically generate
metadata, freeing the user from an onerous task (which is what computers
should do). Certainly, some search engiens are bordering on this capability.
> Well, the point of making this a modular userspace daemon is that we don't
> *have* to dictate any such thing. The idea is that writes could be
> piped through the indexing daemon, and the daemon would then have plugins
> that understand *different* formats. Optionally, I suppose, one could
> add a new open() flag to say "don't index this".
I've been working on a daemon that actively examines and updates
metadata, similar to a web-indexing spider, but more directed; the
metadata is then stored in "spatial" structures such r-trees or M-trees
(this daemon is very experimental at this point, and I'm still exploring
structures and algorithms).
> Indeed. Couldn't agree more. That's why we should create *infrastructure*
> for such an indexing service, and allow the community to create plugins
> as needed.
A wise approach.
--
Scott Robert Ladd
Coyote Gulch Productions (http://www.coyotegulch.com)
Software Invention for High-Performance Computing
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-10-30 4:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-29 8:50 Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-29 23:03 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:25 ` Dax Kelson
2003-10-30 0:20 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 0:54 ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30 1:34 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 2:54 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-10-30 2:58 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-10-30 3:16 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 5:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-30 5:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-30 3:16 ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30 3:39 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 10:27 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-10-30 21:28 ` jlnance
2003-10-30 22:29 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-31 2:03 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31 1:04 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-10-30 2:09 ` Alex Belits
2003-10-30 3:12 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 4:21 ` Scott Robert Ladd [this message]
2003-10-31 16:42 ` Timothy Miller
2003-10-31 19:15 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 9:52 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30 4:06 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30 1:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 2:03 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 9:23 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30 3:57 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30 4:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-30 13:46 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-31 4:50 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-10-30 7:33 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-10-30 8:43 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30 8:05 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 8:17 ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-10-30 11:59 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 9:14 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30 9:55 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 17:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 19:23 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 20:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 7:40 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 19:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 20:47 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 13:59 ` Herman
2003-10-31 21:23 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-01 18:30 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 21:08 ` David S. Miller
2003-11-02 21:42 ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-03 12:42 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-11-03 16:58 ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-04 8:13 ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-05 13:51 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-05 2:07 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 11:01 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-10-31 13:52 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-30 11:21 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-30 7:25 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-10-30 8:10 ` Hans Reiser
[not found] ` <200311011731.10052.ioe-lkml@rameria.de>
[not found] ` <3FA3FF46.7010309@namesys.com>
2003-11-03 10:55 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-04 8:10 ` Hans Reiser
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[not found] ` <M7iG.41B.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <MagC.82U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <Maqe.8l3.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 11:10 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-10-30 17:23 ` Alex Belits
2003-10-31 1:46 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31 1:57 ` Philippe Troin
[not found] ` <Mcig.2uf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <Mcs2.2FJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:04 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
[not found] ` <Mg2B.7wf.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <Mh8n.BT.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <MhLf.1pF.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:16 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-02 13:11 Brian Beattie
2003-11-02 17:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 19:35 ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 20:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 20:54 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 21:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 22:06 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-04 8:47 ` Michael Clark
2003-11-04 12:47 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-04 14:02 ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:55 ` Roland Dreier
2003-11-04 0:35 ` Daniel B.
2003-11-04 14:05 ` Brian Beattie
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