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From: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
To: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>,
	Linux-Audit Mailing List <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>,
	fw@strlen.de, twoerner@redhat.com,
	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	tgraf@infradead.org, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak124 v3] audit: log nftables configuration change events
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:02:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4087569.ejJDZkT8p0@x2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhTNQW9d=8GCW-70vAEMh8-LXviP+JHFC2-YkuitokLLMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:29:34 AM EST Paul Moore wrote:
> > If I'm not mistaken, iptables emits a single audit log per table, ipset
> > doesn't support audit at all. So I wonder how much audit logging is
> > required at all (for certification or whatever reason). How much
> > granularity is desired?
 
  <snip> 

> I believe the netfilter auditing was mostly a nice-to-have bit of
> functionality to help add to the completeness of the audit logs, but I
> could very easily be mistaken.  Richard put together those patches, he
> can probably provide the background/motivation for the effort.

There are certifications which levy requirements on information flow control. 
The firewall can decide if information should flow or be blocked. Information 
flow decisions need to be auditable - which we have with the audit target. 
That then swings in requirements on the configuration of the information flow 
policy.

The requirements state a need to audit any management activity - meaning the 
creation, modification, and/or deletion of a "firewall ruleset". Because it 
talks constantly about a ruleset and then individual rules, I suspect only 1 
summary event is needed to say something happened, who did it, and the 
outcome. This would be in line with how selinux is treated: we have 1 summary 
event for loading/modifying/unloading selinux policy.

Hope this helps...

-Steve



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-11 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-04 13:20 [PATCH ghak124 v3] audit: log nftables configuration change events Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-04 17:03 ` Steve Grubb
2020-06-04 17:57   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-04 18:51     ` Steve Grubb
2020-06-24  0:34 ` Paul Moore
2020-06-24 10:03 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-06-24 12:34   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-24 13:03     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-06-24 13:26       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-11 15:16 ` Phil Sutter
2021-02-11 16:29   ` Paul Moore
2021-02-11 20:26     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-11 22:09       ` Florian Westphal
2021-02-17 23:41         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-18  8:22           ` Florian Westphal
2021-02-18 12:42             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-18 12:52               ` Florian Westphal
2021-02-18 13:28                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-18 13:41                   ` Florian Westphal
2021-02-18 21:20                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-18 22:42                   ` Florian Westphal
2021-02-19  6:26                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-19 19:25                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-12 20:48       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-02-11 21:02     ` Steve Grubb [this message]
2021-02-12 12:11       ` Phil Sutter
2021-02-12 20:54         ` Richard Guy Briggs

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