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From: "David A. Wheeler" <dwheeler@dwheeler.com>
To: Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Sean <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>,
	Thomas Glanzmann <sithglan@stud.uni-erlangen.de>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Jan Dittmer <jdittmer@ppp0.net>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Git-commits mailing list feed.
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:13:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <426C5266.6050200@dwheeler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0504250212200.14200@sheen.jakma.org>

Paul Jakma wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, David A. Wheeler wrote:
> Hmm, what do you mean by "repeating what gets signed"?

Forget it, irrelevant.  I vaguely remembered some problem with
gpg's detached signatures, but it was probably either a really
early alpha version or someone was using "--clearsign" instead
of "--armor".  I just did a quick check with:
  gpg --armor --detach -o junk.sig junk.c
and it worked "as expected"; no repeat of the data.

>> Yes, and see my earlier posting.  It'd be easy to store signatures in
>> the current objects directory, of course.  The trick is to be able
>> to go from signed-object to the signature;
> Two ways:
> 1. An index of sigs to signed-object.
> (or more generally: objects to referring-objects)

Right.  I suggested putting it in the same directory as the objects,
so that rsync users get them "for free", but a separate directory
has its own advantages & that'd be fine too.
In fact, the more I think about it, I think it'd be cleaner
to have it separate.   You could prepend on top of the signature
(if signatures are separate from assertions) WHAT got signed so
that the index could be recreated from scratch when desired.

> 2. Just give people the URI of the signature, let them (or their
>    tools) follow the 'parent' link to the object of interest

If you mean "the signatures aren't stored with the objects", NO.
Please don't! If the signatures are not stored in the database,
then over time they'll get lost.  It's important to me to
store the record of trust, as well as what changed, so that
ANYONE can later go back and verify that things are as they're
supposed to be, or exactly who trusted what.

> I think it might be more useful just to provide a general index to 
> lookup 'referring' objects (if git does not already - I dont think it 
> does, but I dont know enough to know for sure).

git definitely doesn't have this currently, though you could run the
fsck tools which end up creating a lot of the info (but it's then
thrown away).

 > So you could ask "which
> {commit,tag,signature,tree}(s) refer(s) to this object?" - that general 
> concept will always work.

Yes. The problem is that maintaining the index is a pain.
It's probably worth it for signatures, because the primary use
is the other direction ("who signed this?"); it's not clear that
the other direction is common for other data.

--- David A. Wheeler

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-25  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-21  4:22 Git-commits mailing list feed David Woodhouse
2005-04-21  6:24 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-21  6:34   ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-22  0:29   ` Greg KH
2005-04-22  8:03     ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 12:58     ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 14:21       ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-23 14:30         ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 14:35           ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-23 17:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 17:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 17:50               ` Fabian Franz
2005-04-23 17:50               ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:02                 ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:14                   ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 17:54               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 18:06                   ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 18:44                       ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:58                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 19:57                       ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-23 20:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 20:24                         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-24 23:25                       ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-24 23:57                         ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  1:01                         ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  1:35                           ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  2:13                             ` David A. Wheeler [this message]
2005-04-25  3:03                               ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  3:08                                 ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  1:50                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-25  2:17                             ` Fabian Franz
2005-04-25  2:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-25  3:32                                 ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  9:31                                   ` David Greaves
2005-04-25  3:08                             ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  3:24                               ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  3:40                                 ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  3:47                                   ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  2:34                           ` Matt Domsch
2005-04-25  2:43                             ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 18:39                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:44                     ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:46                   ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 20:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 18:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-23 18:35                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-23 18:34               ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 19:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 20:49                   ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 23:29                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 20:15               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-25  1:26               ` David Woodhouse
2005-05-04  9:02             ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-04  9:20               ` David Woodhouse
2005-05-04  9:59                 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-04 10:42                 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 14:43         ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-21 10:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-21 12:23   ` David Woodhouse
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2005-04-25 15:47                     ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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