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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Sean <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
Cc: Thomas Glanzmann <sithglan@stud.uni-erlangen.de>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Jan Dittmer <jdittmer@ppp0.net>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Git-commits mailing list feed.
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0504231252450.2344@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1907.10.10.10.24.1114281858.squirrel@linux1>



On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Sean wrote:
> 
> Okay now you're just being difficult <g>   You're acting like it's
> impossible for git to grab the SHA1 out of the clear text message if there
> is signing overhead above the tag reference.   That is nonesense.

No. It's not "impossible" for git to parse crap. But git won't.

There are two ways you can write programs:
 - reliably
 - unreliably

and I do the first one. That means that a program I write does something 
_repeatable_. It does the same thing, regardless of whether a human 
happened to write "REF:" in the comment section, or anything else.

The thing is, great programs come not out of great coding, but out of 
great data structures. The whole git philosophy bases itself on getting 
the data structure right. 

And what you are asking for is doing it _wrong_. So in git I don't just
parse random free-form text and guess that a line that starts with REF: is
a reference to a commit. It has very rigid and well-specified data 
structures, and that's how you make reliable programs.

I don't care what anybody else does on top of git, but dammit, I'll make 
sure that the core infrastructure is designed the right way. 

And that means that we don't guess, and that we don't parse random ASCII
blobs. It means that we have very very fixed formats so that programs can
either do the right thing or unambiguously say "that's crap".

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: we have enough crap that calls 
itself SCM's out there already. I want git to be reliable and _simple_, 
not a collection of crap that just happens to work.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-23 19:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-21  4:22 Git-commits mailing list feed David Woodhouse
2005-04-21  6:24 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-21  6:34   ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-22  0:29   ` Greg KH
2005-04-22  8:03     ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 12:58     ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 14:21       ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-23 14:30         ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 14:35           ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-23 17:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 17:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 17:50               ` Fabian Franz
2005-04-23 17:50               ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:02                 ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:14                   ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 17:54               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 18:06                   ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 18:44                       ` Sean
2005-04-23 19:58                         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2005-04-23 19:57                       ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-23 20:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 20:24                         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-24 23:25                       ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-24 23:57                         ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  1:01                         ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  1:35                           ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  2:13                             ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  3:03                               ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  3:08                                 ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  1:50                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-25  2:17                             ` Fabian Franz
2005-04-25  2:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-25  3:32                                 ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  9:31                                   ` David Greaves
2005-04-25  3:08                             ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-25  3:24                               ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  3:40                                 ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  3:47                                   ` Paul Jakma
2005-04-25  2:34                           ` Matt Domsch
2005-04-25  2:43                             ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 18:39                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:44                     ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-23 18:46                   ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 20:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 18:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-23 18:35                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-23 18:34               ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 19:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 20:49                   ` Jan Harkes
2005-04-23 23:29                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-23 20:15               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-25  1:26               ` David Woodhouse
2005-05-04  9:02             ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-04  9:20               ` David Woodhouse
2005-05-04  9:59                 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-04 10:42                 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-23 14:43         ` Jan Dittmer
2005-04-21 10:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-21 12:23   ` David Woodhouse
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2005-04-25 15:47                     ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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