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From: David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com>
To: greg@enjellic.com
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Adrian Ulrich <reiser4@blinkenlights.ch>,
	vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl, ipso@snappymail.ca, reiser@namesys.com,
	lkml@lpbproductions.com, jeff@garzik.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:34:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44D7879C.40301@slaphack.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200608071737.k77Hbjph002429@wind.enjellic.com>

greg@enjellic.com wrote:

> It seems that finding all the bits and pieces to do ext3 on-line
> expansion has been a study in obfuscation.  Somewhat surprising since
> this feature is a must for enterprise class storage management.

Not really.  Having people who can dig through the obfuscation is also a 
must for enterprise class anything.

The desktop is where it's really crucial to have good documentation and 
ease of use.  The enterprise can afford to pay people who already knew 
it well, helped to develop it...  Grandma probably got Linux because she 
couldn't afford a new OS, or computer.

Of course, I won't go so far as to try to say "Linux should focus on 
this."  Linux should focus on whatever Linux developers feel like 
focusing on.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-08  3:35 UTC|newest]

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2006-08-07 17:37 the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion greg
2006-08-07 17:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-07 18:34 ` David Masover [this message]
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2006-07-26 12:43 Luuk van der Duim
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2006-07-23 18:26         ` André Goddard Rosa
2006-07-22 15:21 Luuk van der Duim
2006-07-21 19:46 Hans Reiser
2006-07-22  0:18 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-22 19:19   ` Diego Calleja
2006-07-22 13:02 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-22 14:30   ` Eric Sandeen
2006-07-22 18:33   ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-22 20:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-23  7:20       ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-23  9:12         ` Matt Heler
2006-07-24  4:01           ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-24  8:54             ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24  8:13               ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-24 10:25                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24 11:34                   ` Christian Iversen
2006-07-24 12:37                     ` Erik Mouw
2006-07-24 16:57                   ` Mike Benoit
2006-07-24 17:35                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24 18:28                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-24 18:06                     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-24 20:37                       ` Mike Benoit
2006-07-24 21:22                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-24 21:51                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-25 15:08                           ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-07-25 20:49                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-25 23:04                               ` David Masover
2006-07-26 11:20                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-26 11:26                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-26 13:02                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-07-26 18:54                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2006-07-27  1:29                                   ` David Masover
2006-07-26  0:29                           ` David Masover
2006-07-26  0:36                             ` David Lang
2006-07-26  0:47                               ` David Masover
2006-07-31 10:58                       ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 14:47                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 15:59                           ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 16:22                             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 16:44                               ` David Masover
2006-07-31 17:34                                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-07-31 18:36                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 16:44                               ` Rudy Zijlstra
2006-07-31 17:20                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 17:32                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 17:46                                   ` Dan Oglesby
2006-07-31 18:11                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 18:43                                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 19:17                                       ` Clay Barnes
2006-07-31 19:29                                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 20:00                                           ` David Masover
2006-07-31 21:14                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2006-08-01 14:28                                             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-08-01 14:52                                               ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-08-01 15:29                                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-01 16:44                                                   ` David Masover
2006-08-01 17:04                                                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2006-08-01 12:01                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-01 17:41                                                       ` David Masover
2006-08-01 18:14                                                         ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-08-01 17:19                                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-01 11:36                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-01 17:40                                                       ` David Masover
2006-08-01 19:27                                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-08-03 13:58                                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-01 18:11                                                   ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-08-01 18:21                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2006-08-01 11:41                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-03 14:03                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-03 15:44                                                         ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-03 17:26                                                           ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-04 17:04                                                             ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-04 18:57                                                               ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-05  1:02                                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-05  0:56                                                               ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-06 22:19                                                                 ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-09  8:40                                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-09 11:53                                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-09 15:48                                                                       ` David Masover
2006-08-07  7:57                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-08 11:06                                                             ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-01 19:11                                                     ` David Masover
2006-08-03 14:03                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-03 16:50                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-01 16:57                                               ` David Masover
2006-08-06 22:59                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 23:36                                                   ` David Masover
2006-08-09  8:37                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-09  9:48                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-09  9:15                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-09 15:52                                                     ` David Masover
2006-07-31 19:42                                         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-31 19:34                                           ` Clay Barnes
2006-07-31 21:00                                           ` Gregory Maxwell
2006-07-31 21:40                                             ` Alan Cox
2006-07-31 21:43                                               ` David Masover
2006-07-31 21:54                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:02                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:21                                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:56                                               ` Nate Diller
2006-07-31 23:52                                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 23:43                                                   ` Nate Diller
2006-08-01  0:15                                                     ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:17                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 21:21                                   ` Łukasz Mierzwa
2006-07-31 16:47                               ` Dan Oglesby
2006-07-31 17:16                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 17:34                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 17:44                                   ` Dan Oglesby
2006-07-31 16:54                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 17:56                               ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 20:07                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 20:32                                   ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 19:41                               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-31 22:53                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-01  2:33                               ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-01 10:40                             ` Helge Hafting
2006-08-01 10:59                               ` venom
2006-07-31 16:52                           ` David Masover
2006-08-01  6:22                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-26 13:17                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 15:39                   ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-07-27 17:28                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-28  2:40                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-27 17:56                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-27 19:06                     ` David Masover
2006-07-28  2:26                     ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-23 11:48         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-23 20:46         ` Jeff Mahoney
2006-07-23 21:15           ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-23 23:22             ` Jeff Mahoney
2006-07-23 22:35               ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-25 19:13         ` Russell Cattelan
2006-07-25 23:51           ` David Masover
2006-07-26 14:26             ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-26 18:16               ` Russell Cattelan
2006-07-27  1:19                 ` David Masover
2006-07-26  0:44         ` David Masover
2006-07-26  7:59           ` the ' 'official' point of view' " Luigi Genoni
2006-07-26 14:33           ` the " 'official' point of view" " Hans Reiser
2006-07-26 10:38         ` David Weinehall
2006-07-24  8:41       ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24  8:09         ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-24 10:32           ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24 13:49         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-23  7:20   ` Rene Rebe
2006-07-24  7:49     ` Nikita Danilov
2006-07-25 12:35       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-25 12:51         ` Rene Rebe
2006-07-25 17:47         ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-25 19:20           ` Francesco Biscani
2006-07-25 21:17           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-25 22:48             ` Jim Crilly
2006-07-25 23:48               ` andrea
2006-07-25 23:45             ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-26 12:45           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 13:29             ` andrea
2006-07-26 13:43               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 14:28                 ` andrea
2006-07-26 14:50                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 16:06                     ` andrea
2006-07-26 16:53                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 17:02                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-26 17:20                         ` andrea
2006-07-26 19:01                           ` Jerome Pinot
2006-07-26 20:50                             ` andrea
2006-07-26 20:50                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 21:17                             ` andrea
2006-07-26 21:37                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-26 22:17                                 ` andrea
2006-07-27  6:56                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27  8:33                                 ` the ' 'official' point of view' " Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 10:04                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 11:07                                     ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 11:35                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 11:43                                         ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 11:56                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 13:30                                       ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-27 13:42                                         ` gmu 2k6
2006-07-27 13:50                                         ` andrea
2006-07-27 14:31                                         ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 18:37                                           ` Jim Crilly
2006-07-27 19:34                                             ` andrea
2006-07-27 18:43                                           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-27 20:11                                             ` andrea
2006-07-27 12:21                                     ` CaT
2006-07-28  2:25                                     ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-28 10:01                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-28 14:05                                       ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-27 11:52                                 ` the " 'official' point of view" " andrea
2006-07-27 12:18                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 13:10                                     ` andrea
2006-07-27 13:58                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 14:45                                         ` andrea
2006-07-27 15:05                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 16:11                                             ` andrea
2006-07-28  2:25                                               ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-28 14:31                                                 ` andrea
2006-07-28  1:47                                   ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-27  4:35                             ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-27 13:26                               ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-24  2:08   ` Steve Lord
2006-07-24  7:53     ` Nikita Danilov
2006-07-24 10:30       ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-24 11:35         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-24 13:39           ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-24 15:38             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-24 16:17               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-24 17:50                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-24 18:29                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-26 13:08               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 15:52                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-27 16:43                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-25 21:44         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-24 22:17 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-25  8:05   ` Hans Reiser

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