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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>
Cc: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	cpufreq@lists.linux.org.uk,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Stolen and degraded time and schedulers
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:08:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45F82C01.3000704@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1173891595.3101.17.camel@imap.mvista.com>

Daniel Walker wrote:
>> I suppose you could, but that seems more complex.  I think you could
>> encode the same information in the measurement of how much work a cpu
>> actually got done while a process was scheduled on it.
>>     
>
> I know it's more complex, but that seems more like the "right" thing to
> do.

Why's that?

I'm proposing that rather than using "time spent scheduled" as an
approximation of how much progress a process made on a particular CPU
during its timeslice, we should measure it directly. It seems to me that
this usefully encapsulates both the problems of variable-speed cpus and
hypervisors stealing time from guests.

The actual length of the timeslices is an orthogonal issue.  It may be
that you want to give processes more cpu time by making their quanta
longer to compensate for lost cpu time, but that would affect their
real-time characteristics.  Or you could keep the quanta small, and give
those processes more of them.

But all this is getting deep into scheduler design, which is not what I
want to get into; I'm just proposing a better metric for a scheduler to
use in whatever way it wants.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-14 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-13 16:31 Stolen and degraded time and schedulers Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-13 20:12 ` john stultz
2007-03-13 20:32   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-13 21:27     ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-13 21:59       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14  0:43         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-14  4:37           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 13:58             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-03-14 15:08               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 15:12                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-03-14 19:02             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-14 19:34               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 19:45                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-14 19:47                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 20:02                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-14 20:26                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-14 20:31                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 20:46                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-14 21:18                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-15 19:09                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-15 19:18                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-15 19:48                           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 19:53                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-15 20:07                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-15 20:14                               ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 20:35                                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-16  8:59                                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-03-14 20:38                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-14 20:59                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  8:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:53                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-15  5:23                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-15 19:33                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14  2:00         ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14  6:52           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14  8:20             ` Zan Lynx
2007-03-14 16:11             ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14 16:37               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 16:59                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14 17:08                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-14 18:06                     ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14 18:41                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 19:00                         ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14 19:44                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 20:33                             ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14 21:16                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 21:34                                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-14 21:42                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 21:36 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-14 21:38   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-14 21:40   ` Con Kolivas

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