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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: ananth@in.ibm.com, Jim Keniston <jkenisto@us.ibm.com>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@infradead.org>,
	utrace-devel <utrace-devel@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	Maneesh Soni <maneesh@in.ibm.com>, Mark Wielaard <mjw@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH 1/7] User Space Breakpoint Assistance Layer (UBP)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:33:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B546321.60607@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263820551.4283.499.camel@laptop>

On 01/18/2010 03:15 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:37 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>    
>> On 01/18/2010 02:14 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>      
>>>        
>>>> Well, the alternatives are very unappealing.  Emulation and
>>>> single-stepping are going to be very slow compared to a couple of jumps.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> With CPL2 or RPL on user segments the protection issue seems to be
>>> manageable for running the instructions from kernel space.
>>>
>>>        
>> CPL2 gives unrestricted access to the kernel address space; and RPL does
>> not affect page level protection.  Segment limits don't work on x86-64.
>> But perhaps I missed something - these things are tricky.
>>      
> So setting RPL to 3 on the user segments allows access to kernel pages
> just fine? How useful.. :/
>    

The further we stay away from segmentation, the better.  Thankfully AMD 
removed hardware task switching from x86-64 so we can't even think about 
that.

>> It should be possible to translate the instruction into an address space
>> check, followed by the action, but that's still slower due to privilege
>> level switches.
>>      
> Well, if you manage to do the address validation you don't need the priv
> level switch anymore, right?
>    

Right.

> Are the ins encodings sane enough to recognize mem parameters without
> needing to know the actual ins?
>    

No.  You need to know whether the instruction accesses memory or not.

Look at the tables at the beginning of arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c.  Opcodes 
marked with ModRM, BitOp, MemAbs, String, Stack are all different styles 
of memory instructions.  You need to know the operand size for the edge 
cases.  And there are probably a few special cases in the code.

> How about using a hw-breakpoint to close the gap for the inline single
> step? You could even re-insert the int3 lazily when you need the
> hw-breakpoint again. It would consume one hw-breakpoint register for
> each task/cpu that has probes though..
>    

If you have more than four threads, it breaks, no?  And you need an IPI 
each time you hit the breakpoint.

Ultimately I'd like to see the breakpoint avoided as well, use a jump to 
the XOL area and trace in ~20 cycles instead of ~1000.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-18 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-11 12:25 [RFC] [PATCH 0/7] UBP, XOL and Uprobes Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-11 12:25 ` [RFC] [PATCH 1/7] User Space Breakpoint Assistance Layer (UBP) Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-14 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 19:46     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-15  9:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 21:07         ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-15 21:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-16  0:58             ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-16 10:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-17  0:12               ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-18  7:37                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-17 14:37               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-15  9:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15  9:38         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-15  9:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 10:10             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-15 10:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 10:22                 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-15 10:56                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 11:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 21:19             ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-17 14:39             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-17 14:52               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-17 14:56                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-17 15:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 12:55                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-17 14:59                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-17 15:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-17 19:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18  7:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 11:01                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 11:44                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 12:01                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 12:06                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 12:09                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 12:13                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-01-18 12:17                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 12:24                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 12:24                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-01-18 12:44                                       ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-18 12:51                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-01-18 12:53                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 12:57                                             ` Pekka Enberg
2010-01-18 13:06                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 22:15                                               ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-19  8:07                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-19 17:47                                                   ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-19 18:06                                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20  6:36                                                       ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-20 10:51                                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20 19:31                                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-20  9:43                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-20  9:57                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 12:22                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27  8:24                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-27  8:35                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27  9:08                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-27  9:25                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27 10:23                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-07 13:47                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-20 10:45                                                       ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-20 12:23                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-20 18:31                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-20 19:34                                                       ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-20 19:58                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-20 20:28                                                           ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-18 13:05                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 13:34                                             ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-18 19:49                                               ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-18 15:43                                     ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-18 16:52                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 17:10                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-18 12:14                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 12:37                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-18 13:15                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 13:33                                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-01-18 13:34                                         ` K.Prasad
2010-01-20 15:57                                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-01-20 18:32                                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-18 11:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 12:25 ` [RFC] [PATCH 2/7] x86 support for UBP Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-11 12:25 ` [RFC] [PATCH 3/7] Execution out of line (XOL) Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-14 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 22:43     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-15  9:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 11:12         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-15 20:18         ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-11 12:25 ` [RFC] [PATCH 4/7] Uprobes Implementation Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-12  2:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-12  8:21     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-12  5:36   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-12  8:14     ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-13  0:53       ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-14 11:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-12  8:54     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-14 11:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 22:49     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-15  9:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15  9:26         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-15  9:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 13:10             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-15 13:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 13:38                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-15 13:47                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 14:00                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-15 14:06                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 14:22                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-15 14:40                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 14:20                     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-15 14:25                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 23:11                       ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-16 15:50                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-15 10:26         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-15 10:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 11:05             ` Maneesh Soni
2010-01-15 11:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 11:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 22:27                   ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-15 23:44                 ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-16 10:04                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 13:08             ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-15 13:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 13:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 12:25 ` [RFC] [PATCH 5/7] X86 Support for Uprobes Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-14 11:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 23:07     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-11 12:26 ` [RFC] [PATCH 6/7] Uprobes Documentation Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-11 12:26 ` [RFC] [PATCH 7/7] Ftrace plugin for Uprobes Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-12  4:54   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-12  5:08     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-12  5:44       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-12 19:12       ` Tim Bird
2010-01-13 21:58       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-13 22:12         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-13 23:36           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-12 18:54     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-12 22:00       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-12 22:15         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-12 22:30           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-14 11:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 11:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 12:16       ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-14 12:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 11:35     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-14 11:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-14 12:23         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-14 12:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 13:00             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-11 14:35 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/7] UBP, XOL and Uprobes Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-11 22:59   ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-22  7:02 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/7] UBP, XOL and Uprobes [ Summary of Comments and actions to be taken ] Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-22  7:24   ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-22 10:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27  6:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27  8:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 18:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 18:36     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-22 23:55     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-16 23:48 [RFC] [PATCH 1/7] User Space Breakpoint Assistance Layer (UBP) Jim Keniston
2010-01-18  7:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 15:58 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-18 19:21   ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-18 21:20     ` Masami Hiramatsu

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