From: Michal Schmidt <mschmidt@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:08:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F50AA22.9080007@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1330624986.11248.209.camel@twins>
On 03/01/2012 07:03 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 18:19 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote:
>> Dne 23.2.2012 15:13, Peter Zijlstra napsal:
>>> My utter disregard for cgroups comes from having to actually implement a
>>> controller for them, its a frigging nightmare. The systemd retards
>>> mandating all this nonsense for booting a machine is completely bonghit
>>> inspired and hasn't made me feel any better about it.
>>
>> systemd requires only CONFIG_CGROUPS=y. It does not need any controllers.
>
> And that makes it better how?
Because it is not involved in the controllers nightmare you have.
systemd does not require "all this nonsense".
>> The insults are entirely unnecessary.
>
> I think not, booting a machine should depend on the smallest possible
> subset of features. Doing anything else is completely bonkers.
Your disagreement does not justify calling the people on the other side
retards.
Your statement about the smallest feature subset could use some
clarification. Should we make sure everything works fine without, say,
CONFIG_UNIX?
And what exactly do you mean by booting? Obviously not booting into a
full desktop environment, because that requires a lot of features.
If on the other hand you are satisfied with booting into a getty with
not many services around, in this sense systemd will boot without
CONFIG_CGROUPS. It's recommended not to do that and nobody actively
tests this setup, but at least systemd will not abort. So it can be used
to check if the kernel boots and to run some tests.
Michal
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-02 11:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-21 21:19 [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:21 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 13:34 ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-23 7:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-23 17:29 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 18:47 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-02-26 4:59 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-22 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:37 ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 18:01 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 7:39 ` Li Zefan
2012-02-22 15:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 18:22 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-27 17:46 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 16:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 18:43 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 17:19 ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-01 18:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:08 ` Michal Schmidt [this message]
2012-03-02 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:28 ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 20:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-01 22:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:38 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-02 10:51 ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 12:43 ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 15:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 19:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02 2:43 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-02 10:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:16 ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 21:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 22:34 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-28 21:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:35 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:54 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:09 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-24 11:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 18:33 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 19:41 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 22:38 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 7:59 ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23 20:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 8:22 ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23 17:33 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <m162em2efy.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
2012-03-03 14:26 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-05 11:37 ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:10 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:28 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:31 ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:00 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:09 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:43 ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:39 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:04 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 14:10 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 16:11 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:30 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 10:11 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 14:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 15:59 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-16 23:14 ` James Bottomley
2012-03-12 22:37 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-12 22:55 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 13:49 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 16:02 ` Tejun Heo
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