Re: 2.4.0 Networking oddity

Re: 2.4.0 Networking oddity

[Wayne Whitney]

In mailing-lists.linux-kernel, you wrote:

>I am running a web server under the new 2.4.0 kernel and am experiencing 
>some intermittent odd behavior from the kernel.  The machine will sometimes 
>go through cycles where network response becomes slow even though top 
>reports over 60% idle CPU time.   When this is happening ping goes from 
>reasonable response times to response times of several seconds in cycles of 
>about 15 to 20 seconds.

FWIW, I have seen behaviour like this under kernel 2.2.x and 2.4.x,
for me taking the interface down and then bringing it back up usually
makes the problem stop, at least for the moment.

I have always assumed that it is caused by a bug in the Ethernet card
driver, as the first time I noticed this behaviour, I was using the
Realtek 8139 driver about two years ago, it was really not good
hardware and the driver was pretty new.  Anyway, it would do this, so
I contacted Donald Becker about it, he pointed me to a newer version
of the driver that did it _much_ less often.

Cheers,
Wayne

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2.4.0 Networking oddity

[Daniel Walton]

I am running a web server under the new 2.4.0 kernel and am experiencing 
some intermittent odd behavior from the kernel.  The machine will sometimes 
go through cycles where network response becomes slow even though top 
reports over 60% idle CPU time.   When this is happening ping goes from 
reasonable response times to response times of several seconds in cycles of 
about 15 to 20 seconds.

As a test I pinged another machine on the same network segment and received 
the same results listed above.  On the other hand, I pinged from the other 
machine on the LAN to the problem machine and the ping times were a 
consistent 0.1ms.  This tells me two things.  One, that the network switch 
was not causing the problem, and two, that the problem is very likely 
somewhere in the handoff of packets from kernel-land to user-land on the 
problem server.

Here is the ping results from the problem server to another machine on the 
same segment:

77 packets transmitted, 77 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 0.2/4368.1/15126.6 ms


Here are the ping results from the other machine to the problem server 
taken at exactly the same time:

116 packets transmitted, 115 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 0.1/0.1/0.3 ms


A little information about what I'm running.  The server is running about 
700Kbps continuous network output from nearly a thousand concurrent 
connections.  The web server is a single process which utilizes the 
select/poll method of multiplexing.  The machine is an 1gig Athlon 
processor with 512megs with RedHat 6.2 installed.

I have the following tweaks setup in my rc.local file:

echo "7168 32767 65535" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_mem
echo 32768 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_orphans
echo 4096 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_syn_backlog
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies
echo 30 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout
echo 4 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_retries
echo 7 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_retries2
echo 300 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time
echo 30 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl
echo 16384 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
echo 16384 > /proc/sys/kernel/rtsig-max


Am I simply missing something in my tweaks or is this a bug?  I would be 
happy to supply more information if it would help anyone in the know on a 
problem like this.

I appreciate any light anyone can shed on this subject.  I've been trying 
to find the source of this problem for some time now.

Daniel Walton



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Re: 2.4.0 Networking oddity

[Daniel Walton]

The server in question is running the tulip driver.  dmesg reports:

Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.13 (January 2, 2001)

I have seen this same behavior on a couple of my servers running 3com 
3c905c adaptors as well.

The last time I was experiencing it I rebooted the system and it didn't 
solve the problem.  When it came up it was still lagging.  This would lead 
me to believe that it is caused by some sort of network condition, but what 
I don't know.

If anyone has ideas, I'd be more than happy to run tests/provide more info..

-Dan



At 10:14 PM 1/28/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>In mailing-lists.linux-kernel, you wrote:
>
> >I am running a web server under the new 2.4.0 kernel and am experiencing
> >some intermittent odd behavior from the kernel.  The machine will sometimes
> >go through cycles where network response becomes slow even though top
> >reports over 60% idle CPU time.   When this is happening ping goes from
> >reasonable response times to response times of several seconds in cycles of
> >about 15 to 20 seconds.
>
>FWIW, I have seen behaviour like this under kernel 2.2.x and 2.4.x,
>for me taking the interface down and then bringing it back up usually
>makes the problem stop, at least for the moment.
>
>I have always assumed that it is caused by a bug in the Ethernet card
>driver, as the first time I noticed this behaviour, I was using the
>Realtek 8139 driver about two years ago, it was really not good
>hardware and the driver was pretty new.  Anyway, it would do this, so
>I contacted Donald Becker about it, he pointed me to a newer version
>of the driver that did it _much_ less often.
>
>Cheers,
>Wayne

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Re: 2.4.0 Networking oddity

[Jordan Mendelson]

Daniel Walton wrote:
> 
> The server in question is running the tulip driver.  dmesg reports:
> 
> Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.13 (January 2, 2001)
> 
> I have seen this same behavior on a couple of my servers running 3com
> 3c905c adaptors as well.
> 
> The last time I was experiencing it I rebooted the system and it didn't
> solve the problem.  When it came up it was still lagging.  This would lead
> me to believe that it is caused by some sort of network condition, but what
> I don't know.
> 
> If anyone has ideas, I'd be more than happy to run tests/provide more info..
> 

If you are running an intelligent switch, double check to make sure your
duplex and speed match what the switch sees on it's port. The biggest
problem I've had with any of my machines is autonegotiation of port
speed and duplex. Typically all that is required is that I force speed
and duplex on the Linux end.


Jordan
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2.4.x latency

[Daniel Walton]

I'm experiencing an odd behavior under the 2.4.0 and 2.4.1 kernels on two 
of my servers.  I'm experiencing high latency periods.  Sometimes the 
periods are long and other times they are short.  As a test I setup three 
ping processes on one of the servers all pinging the same destination on 
the LAN at the same time.  Below is a sample of the ping output.  The 
strange thing is that while all three ping processes went through the 
latency cycle, they each did it at different times.  This tells me that 
surely this isn't a network response issue or else all ping processes would 
show the latency at the same time.

64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=55 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=56 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=57 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=58 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=59 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=60 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=61 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=62 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=63 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=64 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=65 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=66 ttl=255 time=4121.7 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=67 ttl=255 time=3259.0 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=68 ttl=255 time=2384.6 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=69 ttl=255 time=1511.2 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=70 ttl=255 time=666.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=71 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=72 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=73 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=74 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=75 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=76 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=77 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=78 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms
64 bytes from (216.185.106.18): icmp_seq=79 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms


The hardware in question are two Athlon servers with VIA KT133 chipset, 
512Mb RAM, and IDE drives.  One server uses the tulip network driver for a 
Netgear FA-310.  The other uses the NatSim DP83810 network driver for the 
FA-312 and both exhibit the same problem.  I've had 3com 3c900 series cards 
in the machines as well and the problem still persisted.

One other interesting little fact is that if I ping the problem machines 
from a good machine I always get 0.1 ms response times, even while the 
pings from the problem machines are showing latency.

I hope this is enough information for someone to work with.  I'm at a loss 
for what the problem is and unfortunately I'm no kernel hacker.  I 
appreciate any help you guys can offer.

Thank you,
Daniel Walton




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