Re: Nazi kernels

Re: Nazi kernels

[Rik van Riel]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 lobo@polbox.com wrote:

> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,

Good timing, because after this message you're probably
in everybody's killfiles.  ;)

> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?

The Linux kernel -does- allow you to load non-GPL modules,
as long as those modules are compatible with the kernel you
are running.

regards,

Rik
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Nazi kernels

[lobo]

Hi!

Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
executables under linux ?

Regards Przemek

Re: Nazi kernels

[Mike Fedyk]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:34:42AM +0100, lobo@polbox.com wrote:
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
> 

You must be thinking of nvidia's kernel module...

With the new module licenes, they do not keep you from loading or even
making the modules.  It just lets the community know that they don't need to
support bug reports from these kernels.

The *seperate* issue of gpl symbols will also not affect current symbols,
only new symbols that people add in the future.

Mike

PS, I don't think our community needs people who jump to colclusions like
this.  Have you even read LKML?!

Re: Nazi kernels

[John Cavan]

lobo@polbox.com wrote:

 > Hi!
 >
 > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
 > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
 > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
 > executables under linux ?


I'd suggest that you get a clue about what you're talking about before 
spouting off nonsense. The license code in the kernel doesn't prohibit 
anything, it simply provides a means of determining if the kernel is 
running closed code and thus out of the scope of the kernel maintainers.

Frankly, any comparison of SOFTWARE to the horrific evil of the Nazi 
party is an abomination. For that alone, you really don't earn the price 
of admission to anything involving a brain. I can't begin to fathom the 
thought processes of an individual who would belittle the suffering, 
pain, and sacrifices of those who experience that time period with such 
a comparison.

I'm sure you're proud.

John

Re: Nazi kernels

[Panagiotis Moustafellos]

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> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
>
> Regards Przemek

Probably, I shouldnt reply, this kind of statements makes
you furious... 
I think you are jumping to conclutions.. who said, or even better,
who prevented you from using these non gpl modules you are refering to?
Reconcider, rtfm, and *jesus* dont use such kinds of subjects, it's
a little heavy an adjective.. ;p
Regards


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Re: Nazi kernels

[Jeff V. Merkey]

Since Windows 2000 is being open sourced (according to the latest settlement
announcement) why don't you try theirs?   Then your servers can get broken
into regularly by hackers, infected with W2K viruses, and you even get to
reboot them at least 3-4 times per week.

:-)

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <lobo@polbox.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: Nazi kernels


> Hi!
>
> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
>
> Regards Przemek
>
> -
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Michael H. Warfield]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 10:35:56PM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> Since Windows 2000 is being open sourced (according to the latest settlement
> announcement) why don't you try theirs?   Then your servers can get broken
> into regularly by hackers, infected with W2K viruses, and you even get to
> reboot them at least 3-4 times per week.

	Oh, but you missed the mark!  Think Windows XP.  Now there's
the ticket.  If you aren't a Windows XP certified driver, they can
just wipe your driver right off the face of the system...  All in the
name of "stability" (as they define it).  None of this nonsense of
merely flagging if their OS has a non-sanctified driver like Linux.
Linux lets the driver load and run, it merely lets people KNOW that
it's an un-sanctified driver when shit catches fire and burns.  You
know MS.  MS thinks Linux is just a bunch of whimps.  Screw just letting
the user know AFTER something burps and burns.  That's TOO complicated
for a user to figure out and MS has to be "user friendly".  MS is for
men with balls (and no brains)...  Just burn the driver BEFORE it has
a chance to run.  Yeah!  That's the ticket!

	Ooopppsss...  Wait a minute.  That's what the original poster
was falsely complaining about Linux.  Guess he has a bigger case of
optical rectitus that was apparent in his original, obvious, troll.

> :-)

	It would be even funnier if it wasn't so sad...

> Jeff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lobo@polbox.com>
> To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:34 PM
> Subject: Nazi kernels
> 
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> > executables under linux ?
> >
> > Regards Przemek
> >
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Alex Buell]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 lobo@polbox.com wrote:

> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
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I thank you.

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[Very-OT] Re: Nazi kernels

[Anton Altaparmakov]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> 	Oh, but you missed the mark!  Think Windows XP.  Now there's
> the ticket.  If you aren't a Windows XP certified driver, they can
> just wipe your driver right off the face of the system...  All in the
> name of "stability" (as they define it).  None of this nonsense of
> merely flagging if their OS has a non-sanctified driver like Linux.
> Linux lets the driver load and run, it merely lets people KNOW that
> it's an un-sanctified driver when shit catches fire and burns.  You
> know MS.  MS thinks Linux is just a bunch of whimps.  Screw just letting
> the user know AFTER something burps and burns.  That's TOO complicated
> for a user to figure out and MS has to be "user friendly".  MS is for
> men with balls (and no brains)...  Just burn the driver BEFORE it has
> a chance to run.  Yeah!  That's the ticket!

Let's not get carried away. Windows XP does allow you to install anything
you like. You just have to click several times on the Yes button when it
asks things like "This driver is not XP certified. Do you really want to
use it?" and "Installing a non-certified driver can cause system
instability. Are you sure you want to do this?" (text is probably not
quite right but you get the idea).

I think we ought to do the same with closed source drivers. It's true
after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel is so we can just yell
at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe executable could warn
the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module, it can break the
system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded we don't do jumping
through hoops asking questions so the systen runs smoothly.

Best regards,

	Anton
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Re: [Very-OT] Re: Nazi kernels

[samson swanson]

> Let's not get carried away. Windows XP does allow
> you to install anything
> you like. You just have to click several times on
> the Yes button when it
> asks things like "This driver is not XP certified.
> Do you really want to
> use it?" and "Installing a non-certified driver can
> cause system
> instability. Are you sure you want to do this?"
> (text is probably not
> quite right but you get the idea).
> 
> I think we ought to do the same with closed source
> drivers. It's true
> after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel
> is so we can just yell
> at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe
> executable could warn
> the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module,
> it can break the
> system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded
> we don't do jumping
> through hoops asking questions so the systen runs
> smoothly.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 	Anton
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Alan Cox]

> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?

Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
list as our main AI project. 

Alan

Idea (Was: Re: .... kernels)

[degger]

On 11 Nov, Alan Cox wrote:

> Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the
> kernel list as our main AI project.

Maybe a good start would be to filter the list from messages with
abusive words in the subject like nazi, porn, Micro[s$]oft, emacs,
<insert your favourite flamewar topics here>.

--
Servus,
       Daniel	

Re: Nazi kernels

[Tom Diehl]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Alan Cox wrote:

> Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
> list as our main AI project. 

Good one!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: Nazi kernels

[Matt]

Alan Cox mentioned the following:

| > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
| > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
| > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
| > executables under linux ?
| 
| Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
| list as our main AI project. 

I wrote a Bayesian classifier in Perl for newsgroup articles, (you trained
it on some known articles, then tried to classify some unknowns and saw
how well it guessed based purely on the words found in each post), I see
no reason why you can't refine it to guess which posts are trolls or
not. :-)

Matt
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[RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[Jeff V. Merkey]

Anton,

This is a great suggestion.  You should ping Keith Owens (does he own
modutils, I think so) and make it happen.  A much desireable change.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anton Altaparmakov" <aia21@cus.cam.ac.uk>
To: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@wittsend.com>
Cc: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>; <lobo@polbox.com>;
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 5:07 AM
Subject: [Very-OT] Re: Nazi kernels


> On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > Oh, but you missed the mark!  Think Windows XP.  Now there's
> > the ticket.  If you aren't a Windows XP certified driver, they can
> > just wipe your driver right off the face of the system...  All in the
> > name of "stability" (as they define it).  None of this nonsense of
> > merely flagging if their OS has a non-sanctified driver like Linux.
> > Linux lets the driver load and run, it merely lets people KNOW that
> > it's an un-sanctified driver when shit catches fire and burns.  You
> > know MS.  MS thinks Linux is just a bunch of whimps.  Screw just letting
> > the user know AFTER something burps and burns.  That's TOO complicated
> > for a user to figure out and MS has to be "user friendly".  MS is for
> > men with balls (and no brains)...  Just burn the driver BEFORE it has
> > a chance to run.  Yeah!  That's the ticket!
>
> Let's not get carried away. Windows XP does allow you to install anything
> you like. You just have to click several times on the Yes button when it
> asks things like "This driver is not XP certified. Do you really want to
> use it?" and "Installing a non-certified driver can cause system
> instability. Are you sure you want to do this?" (text is probably not
> quite right but you get the idea).
>
> I think we ought to do the same with closed source drivers. It's true
> after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel is so we can just yell
> at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe executable could warn
> the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module, it can break the
> system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded we don't do jumping
> through hoops asking questions so the systen runs smoothly.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anton
> --
> Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> Linux NTFS maintainer / WWW: http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/
> ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/

Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[CaT]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:49:46PM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> Anton,
> 
> This is a great suggestion.  You should ping Keith Owens (does he own
> modutils, I think so) and make it happen.  A much desireable change.

Only if you can turn it off (ie a -[Yy] flag) as I don't really want my
boot sequence to hang just because I bought a geforce card so that I
could play my 3d games nice and fast.

And well, since you may need to turn it off so that your boot sequence
doesn't hang (and more often then not that's where you'll first install
the module) then it makes the option rather useless.

Then there's the autoload feature. Do I really want to have my
mount /cdrom command hang on me because somewhere something wants to ask
me a question? Will this all be interfaced with X so that a prompt comes
up?

Again, you'd wind up turning it off which makes it less useful still.

(Unless, ofcourse, I'm missing something)

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[OT] Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[J Sloan]

CaT wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:49:46PM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > Anton,
> >
> > This is a great suggestion.  You should ping Keith Owens (does he own
> > modutils, I think so) and make it happen.  A much desireable change.
>
> Only if you can turn it off (ie a -[Yy] flag) as I don't really want my
> boot sequence to hang just because I bought a geforce card so that I
> could play my 3d games nice and fast.

Nothing against nvidia cards, of course -

But I play 3d games nice and fast here
(quake 3 arena, wolfenstein)

BTW I'm using a voodoo 3 - well supported,
no 3rd party drivers to download, it always
just works, right from a fresh Linux install,
and with all new kernels...

Just a thought....

jjs

Re: [OT] Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[CaT]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:24:05PM -0800, J Sloan wrote:
> > Only if you can turn it off (ie a -[Yy] flag) as I don't really want my
> > boot sequence to hang just because I bought a geforce card so that I
> > could play my 3d games nice and fast.
> 
> Nothing against nvidia cards, of course -
> 
> But I play 3d games nice and fast here
> (quake 3 arena, wolfenstein)
> 
> BTW I'm using a voodoo 3 - well supported,
> no 3rd party drivers to download, it always
> just works, right from a fresh Linux install,
> and with all new kernels...

It was just my RL example. Such an (unnecessary) addition to modutils
would basically screw me.

Don't get me wrong though. I see tainting of the kernel by the addition
of a bin-only driver as necessary. I don't see why Alan Cox or anyone
else should support nvidia's drivers. It's upto nvidia to do it. IF they
want help, they should open the source up.

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Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[Keith Owens]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:49:46 -0700, 
"Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org> wrote:
>Anton,
>
>This is a great suggestion.  You should ping Keith Owens (does he own
>modutils, I think so) and make it happen.  A much desireable change.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anton Altaparmakov" <aia21@cus.cam.ac.uk>
>> I think we ought to do the same with closed source drivers. It's true
>> after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel is so we can just yell
>> at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe executable could warn
>> the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module, it can break the
>> system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded we don't do jumping
>> through hoops asking questions so the systen runs smoothly.

Modutils 2.4.9 onwards gives a warning when loading tainted modules,
including a reason why the tainting occurred.  I will not accept
anything stronger than a warning, that is the Unix way(TM), give the
user enough rope to hang themselves.

Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[Jeff V. Merkey]

Sounds like it's already there.

Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Owens" <kaos@ocs.com.au>
To: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of
the Trolls")


> On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:49:46 -0700,
> "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org> wrote:
> >Anton,
> >
> >This is a great suggestion.  You should ping Keith Owens (does he own
> >modutils, I think so) and make it happen.  A much desireable change.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Anton Altaparmakov" <aia21@cus.cam.ac.uk>
> >> I think we ought to do the same with closed source drivers. It's true
> >> after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel is so we can just
yell
> >> at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe executable could
warn
> >> the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module, it can break the
> >> system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded we don't do jumping
> >> through hoops asking questions so the systen runs smoothly.
>
> Modutils 2.4.9 onwards gives a warning when loading tainted modules,
> including a reason why the tainting occurred.  I will not accept
> anything stronger than a warning, that is the Unix way(TM), give the
> user enough rope to hang themselves.
>
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Re: [Very-OT] Re: Nazi kernels

[Bernd Petrovitsch]

In message <Pine.SOL.3.96.1011111120107.21134C-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk>, Ant
on Altaparmakov wrote:
>I think we ought to do the same with closed source drivers. It's true
>after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel is so we can just yell
>at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe executable could warn
>the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module, it can break the
>system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded we don't do jumping
>through hoops asking questions so the systen runs smoothly.

Un*x admins know what they are doing by definition. So this is not 
necessary.
Now you see what some Seattle area company think of admins of theirs
(so called) OS.

	Bernd
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Bernd Petrovitsch]

In message <20011111043442.A3454@chello062179017166.chello.pl>, lobo@polbox.com
 wrote:
>Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
>because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
>graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
>executables under linux ?

Godwin's law, you loose.
EOT.

	Bernd
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Re: [Very-OT] Re: Nazi kernels

[Anton Altaparmakov]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:

> In message <Pine.SOL.3.96.1011111120107.21134C-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk>, Ant
> on Altaparmakov wrote:
> >I think we ought to do the same with closed source drivers. It's true
> >after all... The whole point of tainting the kernel is so we can just yell
> >at users to go and bug the vendor. So the modprobe executable could warn
> >the user "hey, you are loading a binary only module, it can break the
> >system, are you sure?". If the module is autoloaded we don't do jumping
> >through hoops asking questions so the systen runs smoothly.
> 
> Un*x admins know what they are doing by definition. So this is not 
> necessary.
> Now you see what some Seattle area company think of admins of theirs
> (so called) OS.

Admins know what they are doing. Your average person trying Linux for the
first time doesn't... You are forgetting that Linux is actually becoming
useful as a desktop OS and a wider audience is starting to use it.

But considering you already get a warning message on insertion that will
do fine, no need to ask are you sure. GUI configuration tools can always
do the "are you sure bit" if they want to. 

Best regards,

	Anton
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Re: [Very-OT] Re: Nazi kernels

[Bernd Petrovitsch]

In message <Pine.SOL.3.96.1011112093015.27188A-100000@virgo.cus.cam.ac.uk>, Ant
on Altaparmakov wrote:
[ Un*x admins know what they are doing ]
>Admins know what they are doing. Your average person trying Linux for the
>first time doesn't... You are forgetting that Linux is actually becoming
>useful as a desktop OS and a wider audience is starting to use it.

If the average person installs Linux, s/he is the admin and above 
definiton applies. Even if s/he does not know what s/he is doing, s/he must
(and will) learn it. Now we can discuss if its better to learn it the 
hard (and fast) way or not.

>But considering you already get a warning message on insertion that will
>do fine, no need to ask are you sure. GUI configuration tools can always
>do the "are you sure bit" if they want to. 

ACK. If some installer software wants to ask, he can now.

	Bernd
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Re: Nazi kernels

[andrea gelmini]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:34:42AM +0100, lobo@polbox.com wrote:
> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?

you've got the sources. where's the problem?

ciao,
andrea

Re: Nazi kernels

[DevilKin]

>In message <20011111043442.A3454@chello062179017166.chello.pl>, 
>lobo@polbox.com
>  wrote:
> >Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> >because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> >graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> >executables under linux ?

So, you have a problem with those binary drivers. Here's something:

1. Don't compare the fact that people here cannot support closed source 
drivers with what happened during the World War. Just don't. It's 
farfetched and totally wrong.

2. Have you even _looked_ for a solution? I have installed the latest 
kernel yesterday, and everything works fine. I compiled the nvidia modules 
on top of that kernel (2.4.15-pre2), and it works fine. Look and search 
before you start making false accusations!

DK

Re: Nazi kernels

[Marco Colombo]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Alan Cox wrote:

> > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> > executables under linux ?
> 
> Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
> list as our main AI project. 

While you're at it, find a way to stop people feeding the trolls, too.
They are much a bigger nuisance than trolls themselves, 20:1 I'd say...

.TM.
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Re: [OT] Re: [RFC-ONT (on topic)] Modprobe enhancement (was Re: "Dance of the Trolls")

[Stefan Smietanowski]

Hi.

>>>This is a great suggestion.  You should ping Keith Owens (does he own
>>>modutils, I think so) and make it happen.  A much desireable change.
>>>
>>Only if you can turn it off (ie a -[Yy] flag) as I don't really want my
>>boot sequence to hang just because I bought a geforce card so that I
>>could play my 3d games nice and fast.
>>
> 
> Nothing against nvidia cards, of course -
> 
> But I play 3d games nice and fast here
> (quake 3 arena, wolfenstein)
> 
> BTW I'm using a voodoo 3 - well supported,
> no 3rd party drivers to download, it always
> just works, right from a fresh Linux install,
> and with all new kernels...
> 
> Just a thought....


Last I checked 32bit graphics and high resolutions wasn't an option on 
the Voodoo 3... The GeForce line can do both and with nice enough speed.

// Stefan

Re: Nazi kernels

[Jim Roland]

By the way, I use the NVidia drivers for the kernel and X...as long as the
instructions are followed (to compile) or an RPM is used, it all works fine.
:)


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Fedyk" <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
To: <lobo@polbox.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Nazi kernels


> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:34:42AM +0100, lobo@polbox.com wrote:
> > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> > executables under linux ?
> >
>
> You must be thinking of nvidia's kernel module...
>
> With the new module licenes, they do not keep you from loading or even
> making the modules.  It just lets the community know that they don't need
to
> support bug reports from these kernels.
>
> The *seperate* issue of gpl symbols will also not affect current symbols,
> only new symbols that people add in the future.
>
> Mike
>
> PS, I don't think our community needs people who jump to colclusions like
> this.  Have you even read LKML?!
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Telford002]

In a message dated 11/10/01 11:05:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
johnc@damncats.org writes:

> lobo@polbox.com wrote:
>  
>   > Hi!
>   >
>   > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
>   > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
>   > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
>   > executables under linux ?
>  
>  
>  I'd suggest that you get a clue about what you're talking about before 
>  spouting off nonsense. The license code in the kernel doesn't prohibit 
>  anything, it simply provides a means of determining if the kernel is 
>  running closed code and thus out of the scope of the kernel maintainers.
>  
>  Frankly, any comparison of SOFTWARE to the horrific evil of the Nazi 
>  party is an abomination. For that alone, you really don't earn the price 
>  of admission to anything involving a brain. I can't begin to fathom the 
>  thought processes of an individual who would belittle the suffering, 
>  pain, and sacrifices of those who experience that time period with such 
>  a comparison.
>  
>  I'm sure you're proud.

The idiom is not new.  I remember that Modula II was called a Nazi
language in the early 80s.  I preferred to call it a Bondage & Discipline
language myself.

Joachim Martillo