RE: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay loop "

RE: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay loop "

[Isabelle, Francois]

I might be able to use the "rtc" driver to meet the specific requirements of
this application, but considering the success of other OSes (in the embedded
field) on low cost/low speed x86 compatible devices, you may expect some
interest for your driver from linux enthousiasts for similar CPUs.

Anyway, you are doing some great job here and I'ld be (somehow) available
for validation of the fixes you might come with, if you get some time .

Thank you

Frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: george anzinger [mailto:george@mvista.com]
> Sent: 5 février, 2003 15:39
> To: Isabelle, Francois
> Cc: high-res-timers-discourse@lists.sourceforge.net;
> linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating
> delay loop "
> 
> 
> Isabelle, Francois wrote:
> > Just wanted to add this: this seems to be reproducible on all 486 
> > 
> 
> I hope to get a chance to look at this today.  Thus far, I know that 
> the PIT version does not keep good time in the face of timers of 
> resolution > 1/HZ, i.e. the "_HR" clocks.
> 
> This has to do with the fact that we have only one interrupt source 
> and must change it to get the sub jiffies interrupts.  In the process 
> we loose track of where the jiffies interrupt should be.  There is an 
> attempt to use the second PIT timer to cover for this, but 
> assumptions 
> are made here that may not be right. (This timer is used for memory 
> refresh and is set up by the BIOS.  We can not change it and 
> we assume 
> that it has a given period.  I suppose we could attempt to 
> measure the 
> period, but thus far we have assumed that these sorts of machines 
> would not require high res timers and have not tried to run 
> down these 
> issues.
> 
> A side issue is that the timers seem to not follow the spec (at least 
> on my test machine) in the regard that a status bit is supposed to 
> indicate when the latch has been loaded after a program has been 
> output.  I can easily find cases where a wait for the bit to 
> change is 
> followed by a read of the latch which returns a stale value.  I 
> suppose some of this has to do with a large difference 
> between the cpu 
> clock and the timer clock.
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Isabelle, Francois [mailto:Francois.Isabelle@ca.kontron.com]
> >>Sent: 4 février, 2003 09:04
> >>To: high-res-timers-discourse@lists.sourceforge.net; 
> >>'george@mvista.com'
> >>Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> >>Subject: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during 
> "Calibrating delay
> >>loop "
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>	we are having an unexpected problem with the HR patch( 
> >>regardless of
> >>the patch you sent which compiled just fine ). The board uses 
> >>a 486DX cpu,
> >>so there is no support for TSC nor ACPI, the only thing we 
> >>have is the PIT. 
> >>
> >>Without highres, the kernel boots properly, with highres 
> >>enabled, the kernel
> >>passes "time_init()" put it hangs in "calibrate_loop() , ( I 
> >>though it hung
> >>for real, but it get passed the loop after a while) " 
> >>
> >>Seems like the tick is VERY SLOW..
> >>
> >>The PIT has been tested on this board, and without HR, the 
> >>kernel boots fine
> >>... if you have any hints, they would be welcome.
> >>
> >>The keyboard detection routine timeouts so the system is 
> >>quiet unuseable and
> >>I can't get the calibration results yet.
> >>
> >>
> >>Frank
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay loop "

[george anzinger]

Isabelle, Francois wrote:
> Just wanted to add this: this seems to be reproducible on all 486 
> 

I hope to get a chance to look at this today.  Thus far, I know that 
the PIT version does not keep good time in the face of timers of 
resolution > 1/HZ, i.e. the "_HR" clocks.

This has to do with the fact that we have only one interrupt source 
and must change it to get the sub jiffies interrupts.  In the process 
we loose track of where the jiffies interrupt should be.  There is an 
attempt to use the second PIT timer to cover for this, but assumptions 
are made here that may not be right. (This timer is used for memory 
refresh and is set up by the BIOS.  We can not change it and we assume 
that it has a given period.  I suppose we could attempt to measure the 
period, but thus far we have assumed that these sorts of machines 
would not require high res timers and have not tried to run down these 
issues.

A side issue is that the timers seem to not follow the spec (at least 
on my test machine) in the regard that a status bit is supposed to 
indicate when the latch has been loaded after a program has been 
output.  I can easily find cases where a wait for the bit to change is 
followed by a read of the latch which returns a stale value.  I 
suppose some of this has to do with a large difference between the cpu 
clock and the timer clock.
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Isabelle, Francois [mailto:Francois.Isabelle@ca.kontron.com]
>>Sent: 4 février, 2003 09:04
>>To: high-res-timers-discourse@lists.sourceforge.net; 
>>'george@mvista.com'
>>Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
>>Subject: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay
>>loop "
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>	we are having an unexpected problem with the HR patch( 
>>regardless of
>>the patch you sent which compiled just fine ). The board uses 
>>a 486DX cpu,
>>so there is no support for TSC nor ACPI, the only thing we 
>>have is the PIT. 
>>
>>Without highres, the kernel boots properly, with highres 
>>enabled, the kernel
>>passes "time_init()" put it hangs in "calibrate_loop() , ( I 
>>though it hung
>>for real, but it get passed the loop after a while) " 
>>
>>Seems like the tick is VERY SLOW..
>>
>>The PIT has been tested on this board, and without HR, the 
>>kernel boots fine
>>... if you have any hints, they would be welcome.
>>
>>The keyboard detection routine timeouts so the system is 
>>quiet unuseable and
>>I can't get the calibration results yet.
>>
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> 
> 

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Preemption patch: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml

RE: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay loop "

[Isabelle, Francois]

Just wanted to add this: this seems to be reproducable on all 486 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Isabelle, Francois [mailto:Francois.Isabelle@ca.kontron.com]
> Sent: 4 février, 2003 09:04
> To: high-res-timers-discourse@lists.sourceforge.net; 
> 'george@mvista.com'
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay
> loop "
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 	we are having an unexpected problem with the HR patch( 
> regardless of
> the patch you sent which compiled just fine ). The board uses 
> a 486DX cpu,
> so there is no support for TSC nor ACPI, the only thing we 
> have is the PIT. 
> 
> Without highres, the kernel boots properly, with highres 
> enabled, the kernel
> passes "time_init()" put it hangs in "calibrate_loop() , ( I 
> though it hung
> for real, but it get passed the loop after a while) " 
> 
> Seems like the tick is VERY SLOW..
> 
> The PIT has been tested on this board, and without HR, the 
> kernel boots fine
> ... if you have any hints, they would be welcome.
> 
> The keyboard detection routine timeouts so the system is 
> quiet unuseable and
> I can't get the calibration results yet.
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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High-Res-Timers: Unexpected "lock" during "Calibrating delay loop "

[Isabelle, Francois]

Hi,
	we are having an unexpected problem with the HR patch( regardless of
the patch you sent which compiled just fine ). The board uses a 486DX cpu,
so there is no support for TSC nor ACPI, the only thing we have is the PIT. 

Without highres, the kernel boots properly, with highres enabled, the kernel
passes "time_init()" put it hangs in "calibrate_loop() , ( I though it hung
for real, but it get passed the loop after a while) " 

Seems like the tick is VERY SLOW..

The PIT has been tested on this board, and without HR, the kernel boots fine
... if you have any hints, they would be welcome.

The keyboard detection routine timeouts so the system is quiet unuseable and
I can't get the calibration results yet.


Frank