From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-mm@kvack.org>, <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
<devel@openvz.org>, "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
<kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
"David Rientjes" <rientjes@google.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 04/11] kmem accounting basic infrastructure
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:00:43 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <502BE3CB.2070306@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALWz4ixYXN9FGJ1E9CZ9viJ=s3k63Pm8t3nakQvi+1T5qtyFYw@mail.gmail.com>
On 08/15/2012 10:01 PM, Ying Han wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz> wrote:
>> On Wed 15-08-12 13:33:55, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> This can
>>>> be quite confusing. I am still not sure whether we should mix the two
>>>> things together. If somebody wants to limit the kernel memory he has to
>>>> touch the other limit anyway. Do you have a strong reason to mix the
>>>> user and kernel counters?
>>>
>>> This is funny, because the first opposition I found to this work was
>>> "Why would anyone want to limit it separately?" =p
>>>
>>> It seems that a quite common use case is to have a container with a
>>> unified view of "memory" that it can use the way he likes, be it with
>>> kernel memory, or user memory. I believe those people would be happy to
>>> just silently account kernel memory to user memory, or at the most have
>>> a switch to enable it.
>>>
>>> What gets clear from this back and forth, is that there are people
>>> interested in both use cases.
>>
>> I am still not 100% sure myself. It is just clear that the reclaim would
>> need some work in order to do accounting like this.
>>
>>>> My impression was that kernel allocation should simply fail while user
>>>> allocations might reclaim as well. Why should we reclaim just because of
>>>> the kernel allocation (which is unreclaimable from hard limit reclaim
>>>> point of view)?
>>>
>>> That is not what the kernel does, in general. We assume that if he wants
>>> that memory and we can serve it, we should. Also, not all kernel memory
>>> is unreclaimable. We can shrink the slabs, for instance. Ying Han
>>> claims she has patches for that already...
>>
>> Are those patches somewhere around?
>
> Yes, I am working on it to post it sometime *this week*. My last
> rebase is based on v3.3 and now I am trying to get it rebased to
> github-memcg. The patch itself has a functional dependency on kernel
> slab accounting, and I am trying to get that rebased on Glauber's tree
> but has some difficulty now. What I am planning to do is post the RFC
> w/ only complied version by far.
That would be great, so we can start looking at its design, at least.
> The patch handles dentry cache shrinker only at this moment. That is
> what we discussed last time as well, where dentry contributes most of
> the reclaimable objects. (it pins inode, so we leave inode behind)
>
This will mark the inodes as reclaimable, but will leave them in memory.
If we are assuming memory pressure, it would be good to shrink them too.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-15 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-08-09 13:01 [PATCH v2 00/11] Request for Inclusion: kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:12 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:42 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 16:49 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-10 17:28 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 17:56 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-10 17:30 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 18:52 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 18:54 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-13 8:05 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 13:10 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:43 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:02 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13 8:36 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 2:38 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-14 16:21 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 9:33 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 11:12 ` James Bottomley
2012-08-15 12:55 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:29 ` James Bottomley
2012-08-15 12:39 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 12:53 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:02 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:04 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:26 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:31 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:10 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:11 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 15:11 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 15:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 15:35 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 17:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 18:11 ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 18:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 19:22 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 18:07 ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 15:19 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 15:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 18:01 ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 18:00 ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-08-15 19:50 ` Ying Han
2012-08-16 15:25 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 5:58 ` Ying Han
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:07 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:27 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13 8:28 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 18:58 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 9:18 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 16:38 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 17:00 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 17:12 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 19:31 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16 3:37 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-16 7:47 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-20 13:36 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-20 15:29 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 2:36 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-17 7:04 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 11:00 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-11 5:11 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-13 8:07 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 9:59 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 21:21 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-14 17:25 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 9:42 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 10:44 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:09 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:23 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:27 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16 9:53 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-16 9:57 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16 15:05 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-16 15:22 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 21:50 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-22 8:35 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-23 0:07 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-23 7:51 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 16:33 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-09 16:42 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:33 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13 8:03 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 8:57 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-10 17:36 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-13 8:02 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 15:16 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 9:08 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:22 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 13:39 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:51 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 9:24 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] memcg: disable kmem code when not in use Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 7:02 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 7:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 8:04 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] memcg: propagate kmem limiting information to children Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:51 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13 8:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 9:00 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 9:15 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 9:35 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 10:07 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 10:35 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 10:36 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 7:54 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21 8:35 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21 9:17 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 9:22 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 10:00 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21 10:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-22 1:09 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-22 8:22 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-22 23:23 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-23 7:55 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-24 5:06 ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-24 5:23 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 10:39 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-22 8:36 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:54 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-21 9:35 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21 9:40 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 10:57 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 21:37 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] Request for Inclusion: kmem controller for memcg Ying Han
2012-08-20 7:51 ` Glauber Costa
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