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From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<cgroups@vger.kernel.org>, <devel@openvz.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	<kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 09/11] memcg: propagate kmem limiting information to children
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:01:24 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50335C74.4000803@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120821100007.GE19797@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 08/21/2012 02:00 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 21-08-12 13:22:09, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> On 08/21/2012 11:54 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
>>> But maybe you have a good use case for that?
>>>
>> Honestly, I don't. For my particular use case, this would be always on,
>> and end of story. I was operating under the belief that being able to
>> say "Oh, I regret", and then turning it off would be beneficial, even at
>> the expense of the - self contained - complication.
>>
>> For the general sanity of the interface, it is also a bit simpler to say
>> "if kmem is unlimited, x happens", which is a verifiable statement, than
>> to have a statement that is dependent on past history. 
> 
> OK, fair point. We shouldn't rely on the history. Maybe
> memory.kmem.limit_in_bytes could return some special value like -1 in
> such a case?
> 

Way I see it, this is simplifying the code at the expense of
complicating the interface.

>> But all of those need of course, as you pointed out, to be traded off
>> by the code complexity.
>>
>> I am fine with either, I just need a clear sign from you guys so I don't
>> keep deimplementing and reimplementing this forever.
> 
> I would be for make it simple now and go with additional features later
> when there is a demand for them. Maybe we will have runtimg switch for
> user memory accounting as well one day.
> 

Since this would change a then established behavior, the same
discussions about compatibility we ever get to will rise. It is a pain
we'd better avoid if we can.

> But let's see what others think?
> 

Absolutely. Hello others, what do you think ?


  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-21 10:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-09 13:01 [PATCH v2 00/11] Request for Inclusion: kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:12   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:42   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 16:49     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-10 17:28       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 17:56         ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-10 17:30   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 18:52     ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 18:54   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-13  8:05     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 13:10       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:43   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:02   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:36     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  2:38       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-14 16:21   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15  9:33     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 11:12       ` James Bottomley
2012-08-15 12:55         ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:29           ` James Bottomley
2012-08-15 12:39       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 12:53         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:02           ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:04             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:26               ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:10                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 15:11           ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 15:34             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 15:35               ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 17:26                 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 18:11               ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 18:25                 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 19:22                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 18:07             ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 15:19           ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 15:36             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 18:01         ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 18:00           ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 19:50     ` Ying Han
2012-08-16 15:25       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17  5:58         ` Ying Han
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:07   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:27   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:28     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 18:58       ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15  9:18         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 16:38           ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 17:00             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 17:12               ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 19:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16  3:37                   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-16  7:47                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-20 13:36               ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-20 15:29                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  2:36       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-17  7:04         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 11:00     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-11  5:11   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-13  8:07     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13  9:59     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 21:21       ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-14 17:25   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15  9:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 10:44       ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:09       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:01         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:23           ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:27             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16  9:53               ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-16  9:57                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16 15:05                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-16 15:22                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 21:50   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-22  8:35     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-23  0:07       ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-23  7:51         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 16:33   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-09 16:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:33   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:03     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13  8:57       ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-10 17:36   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-13  8:02     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 15:16   ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:08     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:22       ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 13:39         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:51         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15  9:24   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] memcg: disable kmem code when not in use Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  7:02   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17  7:01     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  8:04       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] memcg: propagate kmem limiting information to children Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:51   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:01     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  9:00   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17  9:15     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  9:35       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 10:07         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 10:35           ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 10:36             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21  7:54               ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21  8:35                 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21  9:17                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21  9:22                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 10:00                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21 10:01                     ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-08-22  1:09                     ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-22  8:22                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-22 23:23                         ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-23  7:55                           ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-24  5:06                             ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-24  5:23                               ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 10:39             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-08-21  8:22   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-22  8:36     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:54   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-21  9:35   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21  9:40     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 10:57       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 21:37 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] Request for Inclusion: kmem controller for memcg Ying Han
2012-08-20  7:51   ` Glauber Costa

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