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* [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
@ 2013-11-14 20:40 Chang Xiangzhong
  2013-11-15  2:34 ` Vlad Yasevich
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Chang Xiangzhong @ 2013-11-14 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: vyasevich, nhorman
  Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr,
	Chang Xiangzhong

Expected Behavior:
When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.

state machine of tranport->state
Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure

When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
	transport->state = SCTP_ON

Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")
---
 net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)

diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
--- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
+++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
@@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
 			 * active if it is not so marked.
 			 */
 			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
+			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
 			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
 			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
 				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
-- 
1.7.9.5


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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-14 20:40 [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes Chang Xiangzhong
@ 2013-11-15  2:34 ` Vlad Yasevich
  2013-11-15 12:30   ` Neil Horman
  2013-11-15 22:04   ` Chang
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vlad Yasevich @ 2013-11-15  2:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chang Xiangzhong, nhorman
  Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr

On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
> Expected Behavior:
> When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
> in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
>
> state machine of tranport->state
> Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
> When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
> 	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
>
> When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
> 	transport->state = SCTP_ON
>
> Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
> Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")

I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
  8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
        to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
        ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).


Now, the proper way to this would would be modify 
sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.

-vlad

> ---
>   net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>
> diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
> --- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> +++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> @@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
>   			 * active if it is not so marked.
>   			 */
>   			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
> +			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
>   			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
>   			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
>   				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
>


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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15  2:34 ` Vlad Yasevich
@ 2013-11-15 12:30   ` Neil Horman
  2013-11-15 14:00     ` Vlad Yasevich
  2013-11-15 22:04   ` Chang
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Neil Horman @ 2013-11-15 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vlad Yasevich
  Cc: Chang Xiangzhong, davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel,
	dreibh, ernstgr

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:34:55PM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
> >Expected Behavior:
> >When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
> >in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
> >
> >state machine of tranport->state
> >Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
> >When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
> >	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
> >
> >When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
> >	transport->state = SCTP_ON
> >
> >Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
> >Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")
> 
> I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
>  8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
>        to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
>        ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
> 
> 
> Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
> sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
> ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
> 
> -vlad
> 
I agree, this patch doesn't agree with the spec, the only time we transition
from PF to ACTIVE should be on receipt of ack of new data.  I'm not even sure if
we should allow PF transports to be selected to send new data.  Currently a
potentially failed transport will get ignored when specified, and the stack will
use the active path in its place.  Only if all transports are PF will a PF
transport be chosen.
Neil

> >---
> >  net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
> >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
> >
> >diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
> >--- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >+++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >@@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
> >  			 * active if it is not so marked.
> >  			 */
> >  			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
> >+			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
> >  			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
> >  			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
> >  				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
> >
> 
> 

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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 12:30   ` Neil Horman
@ 2013-11-15 14:00     ` Vlad Yasevich
  2013-11-15 14:56       ` Neil Horman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vlad Yasevich @ 2013-11-15 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Neil Horman
  Cc: Chang Xiangzhong, davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel,
	dreibh, ernstgr

On 11/15/2013 07:30 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:34:55PM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
>>> Expected Behavior:
>>> When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
>>> in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
>>>
>>> state machine of tranport->state
>>> Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
>>> When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
>>> 	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
>>>
>>> When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
>>> 	transport->state = SCTP_ON
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
>>> Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")
>>
>> I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
>>   8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
>>         to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
>>         ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
>>
>>
>> Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
>> sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
>> ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
>>
>> -vlad
>>
> I agree, this patch doesn't agree with the spec, the only time we transition
> from PF to ACTIVE should be on receipt of ack of new data.

You mean HB ACK, right?  The 02 spec that see on the ietf site doesn't
mention anything about transition on SACKs.  Also, there is no way to
tell right now if the ack is for new or retransmitted data.  We could
mark chunks that are retransmitted though.

>  I'm not even sure if
> we should allow PF transports to be selected to send new data.  Currently a
> potentially failed transport will get ignored when specified, and the stack will
> use the active path in its place.  Only if all transports are PF will a PF
> transport be chosen.

Not even that :(.  If all transports are PF, we are going to camp on
the primary path instead of choosing a PF transport with the lowest
error count.

-vlad

> Neil
>
>>> ---
>>>   net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
>>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>> index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
>>> --- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>> +++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>> @@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
>>>   			 * active if it is not so marked.
>>>   			 */
>>>   			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
>>> +			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
>>>   			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
>>>   			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
>>>   				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
>>>
>>
>>


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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 14:00     ` Vlad Yasevich
@ 2013-11-15 14:56       ` Neil Horman
  2013-11-15 19:59         ` Chang
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Neil Horman @ 2013-11-15 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vlad Yasevich
  Cc: Chang Xiangzhong, davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel,
	dreibh, ernstgr

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:00:58AM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 07:30 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:34:55PM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
> >>On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
> >>>Expected Behavior:
> >>>When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
> >>>in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
> >>>
> >>>state machine of tranport->state
> >>>Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
> >>>When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
> >>>	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
> >>>
> >>>When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
> >>>	transport->state = SCTP_ON
> >>>
> >>>Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
> >>>Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")
> >>
> >>I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
> >>  8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
> >>        to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
> >>        ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
> >>
> >>
> >>Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
> >>sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
> >>ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
> >>
> >>-vlad
> >>
> >I agree, this patch doesn't agree with the spec, the only time we transition
> >from PF to ACTIVE should be on receipt of ack of new data.
> 
> You mean HB ACK, right?  The 02 spec that see on the ietf site doesn't
> mention anything about transition on SACKs.  Also, there is no way to
> tell right now if the ack is for new or retransmitted data.  We could
> mark chunks that are retransmitted though.
> 
Yes, sorry I wasn't clear, I was speaknig about HB Acks.

> > I'm not even sure if
> >we should allow PF transports to be selected to send new data.  Currently a
> >potentially failed transport will get ignored when specified, and the stack will
> >use the active path in its place.  Only if all transports are PF will a PF
> >transport be chosen.
> 
> Not even that :(.  If all transports are PF, we are going to camp on
> the primary path instead of choosing a PF transport with the lowest
> error count.
> 
Yes, we don't do the smallest error count check, though I have to wonder if
thats really worthwhile.  If all your transports are PF, you're a step away from
a connection reset anyway.
Neil

> -vlad
> 
> >Neil
> >
> >>>---
> >>>  net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
> >>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
> >>>
> >>>diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >>>index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
> >>>--- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >>>+++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >>>@@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
> >>>  			 * active if it is not so marked.
> >>>  			 */
> >>>  			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
> >>>+			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
> >>>  			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
> >>>  			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
> >>>  				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> 
> --
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> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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> 

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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 14:56       ` Neil Horman
@ 2013-11-15 19:59         ` Chang
  2013-11-15 20:25           ` Neil Horman
  2013-11-15 20:35           ` Vlad Yasevich
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Chang @ 2013-11-15 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Neil Horman, Vlad Yasevich
  Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr

I've tried to catch you guys up~

Here's a quick question:

Where are the default [transport->pf_retrans] and 
[transport->pathmaxrtx] set? I could figure out that they could be set 
through setsockopt(SCTP_PEER_ADDR_THLDS, ...) (but it seems like the 
SCTP library has not supported such option yet, maybe that's due to my 
library is out of date). So by default both of the two threshold are zero.

Here's my question: Does it go conflict with "the recommended value for 
Path.Max.Retrans in the standard is 5"?

Thanks!

On 11/15/2013 03:56 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:00:58AM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> On 11/15/2013 07:30 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:34:55PM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
>>>>> Expected Behavior:
>>>>> When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
>>>>> in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
>>>>>
>>>>> state machine of tranport->state
>>>>> Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
>>>>> When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
>>>>> 	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
>>>>>
>>>>> When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
>>>>> 	transport->state = SCTP_ON
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
>>>>> Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")
>>>> I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
>>>>   8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
>>>>         to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
>>>>         ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
>>>> sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
>>>> ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
>>>>
>>>> -vlad
>>>>
>>> I agree, this patch doesn't agree with the spec, the only time we transition
>> >from PF to ACTIVE should be on receipt of ack of new data.
>>
>> You mean HB ACK, right?  The 02 spec that see on the ietf site doesn't
>> mention anything about transition on SACKs.  Also, there is no way to
>> tell right now if the ack is for new or retransmitted data.  We could
>> mark chunks that are retransmitted though.
>>
> Yes, sorry I wasn't clear, I was speaknig about HB Acks.
>
>>> I'm not even sure if
>>> we should allow PF transports to be selected to send new data.  Currently a
>>> potentially failed transport will get ignored when specified, and the stack will
>>> use the active path in its place.  Only if all transports are PF will a PF
>>> transport be chosen.
>> Not even that :(.  If all transports are PF, we are going to camp on
>> the primary path instead of choosing a PF transport with the lowest
>> error count.
>>
> Yes, we don't do the smallest error count check, though I have to wonder if
> thats really worthwhile.  If all your transports are PF, you're a step away from
> a connection reset anyway.
> Neil
>
>> -vlad
>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>   net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
>>>>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>>>> index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
>>>>> --- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>>>> +++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>>>> @@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
>>>>>   			 * active if it is not so marked.
>>>>>   			 */
>>>>>   			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
>>>>> +			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
>>>>>   			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
>>>>>   			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
>>>>>   				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
>>>>>
>>>>
>> --
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>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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>>


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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 19:59         ` Chang
@ 2013-11-15 20:25           ` Neil Horman
  2013-11-15 20:35           ` Vlad Yasevich
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Neil Horman @ 2013-11-15 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chang
  Cc: Vlad Yasevich, davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 08:59:42PM +0100, Chang wrote:
> I've tried to catch you guys up~
> 
> Here's a quick question:
> 
> Where are the default [transport->pf_retrans] and
> [transport->pathmaxrtx] set? I could figure out that they could be
> set through setsockopt(SCTP_PEER_ADDR_THLDS, ...) (but it seems like
> the SCTP library has not supported such option yet, maybe that's due
Yeah, it looks like Daniel hasn't implemented option 31 yet.  You could
certainly issue that socket option on your own thought, without the help of the
library.

> to my library is out of date). So by default both of the two
> threshold are zero.
> 
Thats not tre, pathmaxrtx should be initalized to 5, which is what the per-net
sysctl get initalized to in sctp_net_init.

> Here's my question: Does it go conflict with "the recommended value
> for Path.Max.Retrans in the standard is 5"?
> 
pathmaxrtx is initalized to 5 in sctp_init_sock, so we're in compliance with the
RFC hre.

> Thanks!
> 
> On 11/15/2013 03:56 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:00:58AM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
> >>On 11/15/2013 07:30 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:34:55PM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
> >>>>On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
> >>>>>Expected Behavior:
> >>>>>When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to normal/on if it's
> >>>>>in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>state machine of tranport->state
> >>>>>Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
> >>>>>When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count < tranport->pathmaxrtx)
> >>>>>	transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its availability,
> >>>>>	transport->state = SCTP_ON
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
> >>>>>Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from tsvwg")
> >>>>I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
> >>>>  8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
> >>>>        to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
> >>>>        ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
> >>>>sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
> >>>>ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
> >>>>
> >>>>-vlad
> >>>>
> >>>I agree, this patch doesn't agree with the spec, the only time we transition
> >>>from PF to ACTIVE should be on receipt of ack of new data.
> >>
> >>You mean HB ACK, right?  The 02 spec that see on the ietf site doesn't
> >>mention anything about transition on SACKs.  Also, there is no way to
> >>tell right now if the ack is for new or retransmitted data.  We could
> >>mark chunks that are retransmitted though.
> >>
> >Yes, sorry I wasn't clear, I was speaknig about HB Acks.
> >
> >>>I'm not even sure if
> >>>we should allow PF transports to be selected to send new data.  Currently a
> >>>potentially failed transport will get ignored when specified, and the stack will
> >>>use the active path in its place.  Only if all transports are PF will a PF
> >>>transport be chosen.
> >>Not even that :(.  If all transports are PF, we are going to camp on
> >>the primary path instead of choosing a PF transport with the lowest
> >>error count.
> >>
> >Yes, we don't do the smallest error count check, though I have to wonder if
> >thats really worthwhile.  If all your transports are PF, you're a step away from
> >a connection reset anyway.
> >Neil
> >
> >>-vlad
> >>
> >>>Neil
> >>>
> >>>>>---
> >>>>>  net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
> >>>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >>>>>index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
> >>>>>--- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >>>>>+++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
> >>>>>@@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct sctp_outq *q,
> >>>>>  			 * active if it is not so marked.
> >>>>>  			 */
> >>>>>  			if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
> >>>>>+			     transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
> >>>>>  			     transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
> >>>>>  			    sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
> >>>>>  				sctp_assoc_control_transport(
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>--
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> >>
> 
> 

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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 19:59         ` Chang
  2013-11-15 20:25           ` Neil Horman
@ 2013-11-15 20:35           ` Vlad Yasevich
  2013-11-15 20:38             ` Chang
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vlad Yasevich @ 2013-11-15 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chang, Neil Horman
  Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr

On 11/15/2013 02:59 PM, Chang wrote:
> I've tried to catch you guys up~
>
> Here's a quick question:
>
> Where are the default [transport->pf_retrans] and
> [transport->pathmaxrtx] set?

They are initially set through the sctp_net_init.  Later
they can be changed through sysctl or via socket options.

> I could figure out that they could be set
> through setsockopt(SCTP_PEER_ADDR_THLDS, ...) (but it seems like the
> SCTP library has not supported such option yet, maybe that's due to my
> library is out of date).  So by default both of the two threshold are zero.

pf_retrans starts at 0.  pathmaxrtx has always started at 5.

You should be able to use the socket option directly, but you might need
a newer header.  You can always add the value to your application as well.

>
> Here's my question: Does it go conflict with "the recommended value for
> Path.Max.Retrans in the standard is 5"?

Path.Max.Retrans is set to 5 (at least on my system...)

-vlad

>
> Thanks!
>
> On 11/15/2013 03:56 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:00:58AM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2013 07:30 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:34:55PM -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2013 03:40 PM, Chang Xiangzhong wrote:
>>>>>> Expected Behavior:
>>>>>> When hearing an ack from a tranport/path, set its state to
>>>>>> normal/on if it's
>>>>>> in abnormal(__partial_failure__ or inactive) state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> state machine of tranport->state
>>>>>> Whenever a T3_RTX timer expires, then transport->error_count++.
>>>>>> When (association->pf_retrans < transport->error_count <
>>>>>> tranport->pathmaxrtx)
>>>>>>     transport->state = SCTP_PF //partial failure
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When a heartbeat-ack comes or conventional ack acknowledged its
>>>>>> availability,
>>>>>>     transport->state = SCTP_ON
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Chang Xiangzhong <changxiangzhong@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Fixes: 5aa93bcf66f ("sctp: Implement quick failover draft from
>>>>>> tsvwg")
>>>>> I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
>>>>>   8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
>>>>>         to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether
>>>>> the
>>>>>         ack was for the original transmission or the
>>>>> retransmission(s).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
>>>>> sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
>>>>> ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
>>>>>
>>>>> -vlad
>>>>>
>>>> I agree, this patch doesn't agree with the spec, the only time we
>>>> transition
>>> >from PF to ACTIVE should be on receipt of ack of new data.
>>>
>>> You mean HB ACK, right?  The 02 spec that see on the ietf site doesn't
>>> mention anything about transition on SACKs.  Also, there is no way to
>>> tell right now if the ack is for new or retransmitted data.  We could
>>> mark chunks that are retransmitted though.
>>>
>> Yes, sorry I wasn't clear, I was speaknig about HB Acks.
>>
>>>> I'm not even sure if
>>>> we should allow PF transports to be selected to send new data.
>>>> Currently a
>>>> potentially failed transport will get ignored when specified, and
>>>> the stack will
>>>> use the active path in its place.  Only if all transports are PF
>>>> will a PF
>>>> transport be chosen.
>>> Not even that :(.  If all transports are PF, we are going to camp on
>>> the primary path instead of choosing a PF transport with the lowest
>>> error count.
>>>
>> Yes, we don't do the smallest error count check, though I have to
>> wonder if
>> thats really worthwhile.  If all your transports are PF, you're a step
>> away from
>> a connection reset anyway.
>> Neil
>>
>>> -vlad
>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>   net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
>>>>>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>>>>> index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
>>>>>> --- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>>>>> +++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>>>>> @@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct
>>>>>> sctp_outq *q,
>>>>>>                * active if it is not so marked.
>>>>>>                */
>>>>>>               if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
>>>>>> +                 transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
>>>>>>                    transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
>>>>>>                   sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
>>>>>>                   sctp_assoc_control_transport(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --
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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 20:35           ` Vlad Yasevich
@ 2013-11-15 20:38             ` Chang
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Chang @ 2013-11-15 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vlad Yasevich, Neil Horman
  Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr

Thank you very much Neil and Vlad!
That's exactly what I've been looking for. I'm quite unfamiliar iwth the 
sctp_net_init part.

Have a nice weekend!

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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15  2:34 ` Vlad Yasevich
  2013-11-15 12:30   ` Neil Horman
@ 2013-11-15 22:04   ` Chang
  2013-11-15 22:48     ` Vlad Yasevich
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Chang @ 2013-11-15 22:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vlad Yasevich, nhorman
  Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr


On 11/15/2013 03:34 AM, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
> I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
>  8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
>        to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
>        ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
>
Could you please reconsider my proposal?

In the rule 8, it clearly specifies ACKs for *retransmission* do not 
transition ... But those chunks were not retransmitted!

Every transport maintains its own [transport->transmitted] queue, when 
retransmit happens (no matter time_out or fast_retransmit). The chunk 
would be removed from the queue and moved to the sctp_outq->retransmit.

static void sctp_check_transmitted(...) {
...
     if (transport) {  /*<=======This proves that its not the 
outq->retransmit (the retransmitted queue)*/
         if (bytes_acked) {
         ...
         if((transport->state in [INACTIVE, UNCONFIRMED, PF]...)
             sctp_assoc_control_transport(..., SCTP_TRANSPORT_UP).


In addition, if its not appropriate to transition PF->ACTIVE, why is it 
appropriate to transition INACTIVE->ACTIVE (the original implementation).
>
> Now, the proper way to this would would be modify 
> sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
> ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
>
> -vlad
>
>> ---
>>   net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>> index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
>> --- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>> +++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>> @@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct 
>> sctp_outq *q,
>>                * active if it is not so marked.
>>                */
>>               if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
>> +                 transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
>>                    transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
>>                   sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
>>                   sctp_assoc_control_transport(
>>
>


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* Re: [PATCH] net: sctp: recover a tranport when an ack comes
  2013-11-15 22:04   ` Chang
@ 2013-11-15 22:48     ` Vlad Yasevich
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vlad Yasevich @ 2013-11-15 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chang, nhorman; +Cc: davem, linux-sctp, netdev, linux-kernel, dreibh, ernstgr

On 11/15/2013 05:04 PM, Chang wrote:
>
> On 11/15/2013 03:34 AM, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> I don't think this is right.  The spec states:
>>  8.  ACKs for retransmissions do not transition a PF destination back
>>        to Active state, since a sender cannot disambiguate whether the
>>        ack was for the original transmission or the retransmission(s).
>>
> Could you please reconsider my proposal?
>
> In the rule 8, it clearly specifies ACKs for *retransmission* do not
> transition ... But those chunks were not retransmitted!
>
> Every transport maintains its own [transport->transmitted] queue, when
> retransmit happens (no matter time_out or fast_retransmit). The chunk
> would be removed from the queue and moved to the sctp_outq->retransmit.
>

Yes,  this is their temporary holding area.  Once the chunks are
transmitted again, they are placed on the transports transmitted list.
See sctp_outq_flush_rtx().

> static void sctp_check_transmitted(...) {
> ...
>     if (transport) {  /*<=======This proves that its not the
> outq->retransmit (the retransmitted queue)*/

Retransmit queue may hold more data then can be drained in a single
push.  Thus is usually holds data that is pending retransmission, but
is not retransmitted yet.  If a late SACK arrives acknowledging this
data, we need to properly mark it.  That is what this code tries
to do.

-vlad
>         if (bytes_acked) {
>         ...
>         if((transport->state in [INACTIVE, UNCONFIRMED, PF]...)
>             sctp_assoc_control_transport(..., SCTP_TRANSPORT_UP).
>
>
> In addition, if its not appropriate to transition PF->ACTIVE, why is it
> appropriate to transition INACTIVE->ACTIVE (the original implementation).
>>
>> Now, the proper way to this would would be modify
>> sctp_assoc_control_transport() to transition the transport state to
>> ACTIVE if it was PF transport that was chosen to send data.
>>
>> -vlad
>>
>>> ---
>>>   net/sctp/outqueue.c |    1 +
>>>   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/net/sctp/outqueue.c b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>> index 94df758..2557fa5 100644
>>> --- a/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>> +++ b/net/sctp/outqueue.c
>>> @@ -1517,6 +1517,7 @@ static void sctp_check_transmitted(struct
>>> sctp_outq *q,
>>>                * active if it is not so marked.
>>>                */
>>>               if ((transport->state == SCTP_INACTIVE ||
>>> +                 transport->state == SCTP_PF ||
>>>                    transport->state == SCTP_UNCONFIRMED) &&
>>>                   sctp_cmp_addr_exact(&transport->ipaddr, saddr)) {
>>>                   sctp_assoc_control_transport(
>>>
>>
>


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