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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: "Yongji Xie" <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 10:34:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5b5107fa-3b32-8a3b-720d-eee6b2a84ace@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YOL/9mxkJaokKDHc@stefanha-x1.localdomain>


在 2021/7/5 下午8:49, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 11:36:15AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> 在 2021/7/4 下午5:49, Yongji Xie 写道:
>>>>> OK, I get you now. Since the VIRTIO specification says "Device
>>>>> configuration space is generally used for rarely-changing or
>>>>> initialization-time parameters". I assume the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>>>>> ioctl should not be called frequently.
>>>> The spec uses MUST and other terms to define the precise requirements.
>>>> Here the language (especially the word "generally") is weaker and means
>>>> there may be exceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Another type of access that doesn't work with the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
>>>> approach is reads that have side-effects. For example, imagine a field
>>>> containing an error code if the device encounters a problem unrelated to
>>>> a specific virtqueue request. Reading from this field resets the error
>>>> code to 0, saving the driver an extra configuration space write access
>>>> and possibly race conditions. It isn't possible to implement those
>>>> semantics suing VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG. It's another corner case, but it
>>>> makes me think that the interface does not allow full VIRTIO semantics.
>>
>> Note that though you're correct, my understanding is that config space is
>> not suitable for this kind of error propagating. And it would be very hard
>> to implement such kind of semantic in some transports.  Virtqueue should be
>> much better. As Yong Ji quoted, the config space is used for
>> "rarely-changing or intialization-time parameters".
>>
>>
>>> Agreed. I will use VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG in the next version. And to
>>> handle the message failure, I'm going to add a return value to
>>> virtio_config_ops.get() and virtio_cread_* API so that the error can
>>> be propagated to the virtio device driver. Then the virtio-blk device
>>> driver can be modified to handle that.
>>>
>>> Jason and Stefan, what do you think of this way?
> Why does VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG need to support an error return value?
>
> The VIRTIO spec provides no way for the device to report errors from
> config space accesses.
>
> The QEMU virtio-pci implementation returns -1 from invalid
> virtio_config_read*() and silently discards virtio_config_write*()
> accesses.
>
> VDUSE can take the same approach with
> VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG/VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG.
>
>> I'd like to stick to the current assumption thich get_config won't fail.
>> That is to say,
>>
>> 1) maintain a config in the kernel, make sure the config space read can
>> always succeed
>> 2) introduce an ioctl for the vduse usersapce to update the config space.
>> 3) we can synchronize with the vduse userspace during set_config
>>
>> Does this work?
> I noticed that caching is also allowed by the vhost-user protocol
> messages (QEMU's docs/interop/vhost-user.rst), but the device doesn't
> know whether or not caching is in effect. The interface you outlined
> above requires caching.
>
> Is there a reason why the host kernel vDPA code needs to cache the
> configuration space?


Because:

1) Kernel can not wait forever in get_config(), this is the major 
difference with vhost-user.
2) Stick to the current assumption that virtio_cread() should always 
succeed.

Thanks


>
> Here are the vhost-user protocol messages:
>
>    Virtio device config space
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>    +--------+------+-------+---------+
>    | offset | size | flags | payload |
>    +--------+------+-------+---------+
>
>    :offset: a 32-bit offset of virtio device's configuration space
>
>    :size: a 32-bit configuration space access size in bytes
>
>    :flags: a 32-bit value:
>      - 0: Vhost master messages used for writeable fields
>      - 1: Vhost master messages used for live migration
>
>    :payload: Size bytes array holding the contents of the virtio
>              device's configuration space
>
>    ...
>
>    ``VHOST_USER_GET_CONFIG``
>      :id: 24
>      :equivalent ioctl: N/A
>      :master payload: virtio device config space
>      :slave payload: virtio device config space
>
>      When ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIG`` is negotiated, this message is
>      submitted by the vhost-user master to fetch the contents of the
>      virtio device configuration space, vhost-user slave's payload size
>      MUST match master's request, vhost-user slave uses zero length of
>      payload to indicate an error to vhost-user master. The vhost-user
>      master may cache the contents to avoid repeated
>      ``VHOST_USER_GET_CONFIG`` calls.
>
>    ``VHOST_USER_SET_CONFIG``
>      :id: 25
>      :equivalent ioctl: N/A
>      :master payload: virtio device config space
>      :slave payload: N/A
>
>      When ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIG`` is negotiated, this message is
>      submitted by the vhost-user master when the Guest changes the virtio
>      device configuration space and also can be used for live migration
>      on the destination host. The vhost-user slave must check the flags
>      field, and slaves MUST NOT accept SET_CONFIG for read-only
>      configuration space fields unless the live migration bit is set.
>
> Stefan


  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-06  2:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-15 14:13 [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 01/10] iova: Export alloc_iova_fast() and free_iova_fast(); Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 02/10] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 03/10] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-06-17  8:33   ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  3:29     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-18  8:41       ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44       ` [PATCH] eventfd: Enlarge recursion limit to allow vhost to work He Zhe
2021-07-03  8:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-25  7:57         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 04/10] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 05/10] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 06/10] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 07/10] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 08/10] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-06-21  9:13   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-21 10:41     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  5:06       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  7:22         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-22  7:49           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-22  8:14             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-23  3:30               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-23  5:50                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  3:34                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  4:46                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-24  8:13                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24  9:16                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-25  3:08                           ` Jason Wang
2021-06-25  4:19                             ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28  4:40                               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  2:26                                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  3:29                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  3:56                                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:03                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 14:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  2:59     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30  9:51       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01  6:50         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01  7:55           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-01 10:26             ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-02  3:25               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  8:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  9:19     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-15 14:13 ` [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-06-24 13:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  5:43     ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-30 10:06       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-01 10:00         ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-01 13:15           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-04  9:49             ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-05  3:36               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05 12:49                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-06  2:34                   ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-07-06 10:14                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2021-07-07  9:24                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 15:54                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  4:17                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  9:06                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08 12:35                                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06  3:04                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-06 10:22                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-07  9:09                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-07-08  9:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12 ` [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-29  3:15   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:33 ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28  4:35   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  5:54     ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  4:10       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:56         ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  8:14           ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-28 10:32   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:12     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  6:40       ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  7:33         ` Jason Wang

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