From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
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Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:24:15 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <724964987.9217.1456518255392.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1602261855100.3638@nanos>
----- On Feb 26, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Thomas Gleixner tglx@linutronix.de wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2016, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Thomas Gleixner tglx@linutronix.de wrote:
>> > Right. There is no point in having two calls and two update mechanisms for a
>> > very similar purpose.
>> >
>> > So let userspace have one struct where cpu/seq and whatever is required for
>> > rseq is located and flag at register time which parts of the struct need to be
>> > updated.
>>
>> If we put both cpu/seq/other in that structure, why not plan ahead and make
>> it extensible then ?
>>
>> That looks very much like the "Thread-local ABI" series I posted last year.
>> See https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/12/22/464
>>
>> Here is why I ended up introducing the specialized "getcpu_cache" system call
>> rather than the "generic" system call (quote from the getcpu_cache changelog):
>>
>> Rationale for the getcpu_cache system call rather than the thread-local
>> ABI system call proposed earlier:
>>
>> Rather than doing a "generic" thread-local ABI, specialize this system
>> call for a cpu number cache only. Anyway, the thread-local ABI approach
>> would have required that we introduce "feature" flags, which would have
>> ended up reimplementing multiplexing of features on top of a system
>> call. It seems better to introduce one system call per feature instead.
>>
>> If everyone end up preferring that we introduce a system call that implements
>> many features at once, that's indeed something we can do, but I remember
>> being told in the past that this is generally a bad idea.
>
> It's a bad idea if you mix stuff which does not belong together, but if you
> have stuff which shares a substantial amount of things then it makes a lot of
> sense. Especially if it adds similar stuff into hotpathes.
>
>> For one thing, it would make the interface more cumbersome to deal with
>> from user-space in terms of feature detection: if we want to make this
>> interface extensible, in addition to check -1, errno=ENOSYS, userspace
>> would have to deal with a field containing the length of the structure
>> as expected by user-space and kernel, and feature flags to see the common
>> set of features supported by kernel and user-space.
>>
>> Having one system call per feature seems simpler to handle in terms of
>> feature availability detection from a userspace point of view.
>
> That might well be, but that does not justify two fastpath updates, two
> seperate pointers to handle, etc ....
Keeping two separate pointers in the task_struct rather than a single one
might indeed be unwelcome, but I'm not sure I fully grasp the fast path
argument in this case: getcpu_cache only sets a notifier thread flag
on thread migration, whereas AFAIU rseq adds code to context switch and signal
delivery, which are prone to have a higher impact.
Indeed both will have their own code in the resume notifier, but is it really
a fast path ?
>From my point of view, making it easy for userspace to just enable getcpu_cache
without having the scheduler and signal delivery fast-path overhead of rseq seems
like a good thing. I'm not all that sure that saving an extra pointer in
task_struct justifies the added system call interface complexity.
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-26 20:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-23 23:28 [PATCH v4 0/5] getcpu_cache system call for 4.6 Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 11:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-24 17:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 23:32 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2016-02-26 17:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 9:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25 16:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 17:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25 17:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 11:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-26 16:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 17:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 18:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 20:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2016-02-26 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 0:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27 6:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 14:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27 14:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-27 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-27 19:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 23:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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[not found] ` <1082926946.10326.1456619994590.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
2016-02-28 0:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-28 14:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-29 10:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 20:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-03-01 21:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-02 10:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:39 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 12:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-29 13:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 18:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-02 10:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-03-01 18:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-01 18:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-28 13:07 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-02-28 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-29 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-27 15:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] getcpu_cache: ARM resume notifier Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] getcpu_cache: wire up ARM system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 0:54 ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24 1:05 ` [PATCH v4 (updated)] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 5:28 ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24 6:54 ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] getcpu_cache: x86 32/64 resume notifier Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] getcpu_cache: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 1:36 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] getcpu_cache system call for 4.6 H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24 4:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 20:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24 22:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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