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From: Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 00:32:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87egc0l62k.fsf@rasmusvillemoes.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1602241206020.3670@nanos> (Thomas Gleixner's message of "Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:11:15 +0100 (CET)")

On Wed, Feb 24 2016, Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:

>
>        Typically, a library or application will keep the cpu  number
>        cache  in  a  thread-local  storage variable, or other memory
>        areas belonging to each thread. It is recommended to  perform
>        a  volatile  read of the cpu number cache to prevent the com‐
>        piler from doing load tearing. An alternative approach is  to
>        read  the  cpu  number cache from inline assembly in a single
>        instruction.
>
>        Each thread is responsible for registering its own cpu number
>        cache.   Only  one  cpu  cache  address can be registered per
>        thread.
>
>        The symbol  __getcpu_cache_tls  is  recommended  to  be  used
>        across  libraries  and  applications  wishing  to  register a
>        thread-local getcpu_cache. The  attribute  "weak"  is  recom‐
>        mended  when  declaring this variable in libraries.  Applica‐
>        tions can choose to define their own version of  this  symbol
>        without the weak attribute as a performance improvement.
>
>        In  a  typical usage scenario, the thread registering the cpu
>        number cache will be performing reads from that cache. It  is
>        however  also allowed to read the cpu number cache from other
>        threads. The cpu number cache updates performed by the kernel
>        provide single-copy atomicity semantics, which guarantee that
>        other threads performing single-copy atomic reads of the  cpu
>        number cache will always observe a consistent value.
>
>        Memory registered as cpu number cache should never be deallo‐
>        cated before the thread which registered it  exits:  specifi‐
>        cally, it should not be freed, and the library containing the
>        registered thread-local storage should not be dlclose'd.

Maybe spell out the consequence if this is violated - since the SIGSEGV
only happens on migration, it may take a while to strike.

Random thoughts: The current implementation ensures that getcpu_cache is
"idempotent" from within a single thread - once set, it can never get
unset nor set to some other pointer. I think that can be useful, since
it means a library can reliably use the TLS variable itself (initialized
with some negative number) as an indicator of whether
getcpu_cache(GETCPU_CACHE_SET) has been called. So if a single test on a
fast path where the library would need to load __getcpu_cache_tls anyway
is acceptable, it can avoid requiring some library init function to be
called in each thread - which can sometimes be hard to arrange. Is this
something we want to guarantee - that is, will we never implement
GETCPU_CACHE_UNSET or a "force" flag to _SET? Either way, I think we
should spend a few words on it to avoid the current behaviour becoming
accidental ABI.

In another thread:

> However, there are other use-cases for having a fast mechanism for
> reading the current CPU number, besides restartable sequences.  For
> instance, it can be used by glibc to implement a faster sched_getcpu.

Will glibc do that? It may be a little contentious for glibc to claim a
unique resource such as task_struct::cpu_cache for itself, even if
everybody is supposed to use the same symbol. Hm, maybe one could say
that if an application does define the symbol __getcpu_cache_tls (which
is techically in the implementation namespace), that gives glibc (and
any other library) license to do getcpu_cache(SET, &&__getcpu_cache_tls)
(pseudo-code, of course). If a library initializes its own weak version
with -2 it can check whether the application defined
__getcpu_cache_tls. Ok, I'm probably overthinking this...

Rasmus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-25 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-23 23:28 [PATCH v4 0/5] getcpu_cache system call for 4.6 Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 11:11   ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-24 17:17     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 23:32     ` Rasmus Villemoes [this message]
2016-02-26 17:47       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25  9:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25 16:55     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-25 17:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25 17:17         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 11:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-26 16:29             ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 17:20               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 18:01                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-02-26 20:24                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-26 23:04                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27  0:40                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27  6:24                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 14:15                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-27 14:58                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-27 18:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-27 19:01                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-27 23:53                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                   ` <CA+55aFwcgwRxvVBz5kk_3O8dESXAGJ4KHBkf=pSXjiS7Xh4NwA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                     ` <1082926946.10326.1456619994590.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
2016-02-28  0:57                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-28 14:32                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-29 10:35                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 20:23                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-03-01 21:32                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:36                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-01 21:47                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-02 10:34                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:32                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-29 10:39                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 12:41                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-29 13:08                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-29 18:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-02 10:44                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-03-01 18:25                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-03-01 18:40                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-28 13:07                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-02-28 16:21                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-29 10:01                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-27 15:04                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] getcpu_cache: ARM resume notifier Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] getcpu_cache: wire up ARM system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24  0:54   ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  1:05   ` [PATCH v4 (updated)] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24  5:28     ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-24  6:54     ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] getcpu_cache: x86 32/64 resume notifier Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-23 23:28 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] getcpu_cache: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24  1:36 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] getcpu_cache system call for 4.6 H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24  4:09   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-02-24 20:07     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24 22:38       ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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