From: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
"maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
<x86@kernel.org>, Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] RFC: Precise TSC migration
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 13:51:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <77e48fe09de55fa77a9e33a2c6212e42c83556be.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201201150205.GA42117@fuller.cnet>
On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 12:02 -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 02:48:11PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 30 2020 at 16:16, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > > Besides, Linux guests don't sync the TSC via IA32_TSC write,
> > > > but rather use IA32_TSC_ADJUST which currently doesn't participate
> > > > in the tsc sync heruistics.
> > >
> > > Linux should not try to sync the TSC with IA32_TSC_ADJUST. It expects
> > > the BIOS to boot with synced TSCs.
> >
> > That's wishful thinking.
> >
> > Reality is that BIOS tinkerers fail to get it right. TSC_ADJUST allows
> > us to undo the wreckage they create.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > tglx
>
> Have not seen any multicore Dell/HP systems require that.
>
> Anyway, for QEMU/KVM it should be synced (unless there is a bug
> in the sync logic in the first place).
>
I agree with that, and that is why I suggested to make the guest
avoid TSC syncing when KVM is detected.
I don't mind how to implement this.
It can be either done with new CPUID bit,
or always when KVM
is detected,
(or even when *any* hypervisor is detected)
I also don't mind if we only disable tsc sync logic or
set X86_FEATURE_TSC_RELIABLE which will disable it
and the clocksource watchdog.
Best regards,
Maxim Levitsky
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-03 11:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-30 13:35 [PATCH 0/2] RFC: Precise TSC migration Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 13:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: implement KVM_SET_TSC_PRECISE/KVM_GET_TSC_PRECISE Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 14:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 15:58 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 17:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-01 19:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 11:11 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 13:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: x86: introduce KVM_X86_QUIRK_TSC_HOST_ACCESS Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 13:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 14:11 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 14:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 15:33 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 13:38 ` [PATCH 0/2] RFC: Precise TSC migration (summary) Maxim Levitsky
2020-11-30 16:54 ` [PATCH 0/2] RFC: Precise TSC migration Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-30 16:59 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 19:16 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-01 12:30 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-01 19:48 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-03 11:39 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-03 20:18 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-07 13:00 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-01 13:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-01 15:02 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-03 11:51 ` Maxim Levitsky [this message]
2020-12-01 14:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-01 16:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-03 11:57 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-01 19:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-03 11:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-03 12:47 ` Maxim Levitsky
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