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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 04/13] mm/shmem: Restrict MFD_INACCESSIBLE memory against RLIMIT_MEMLOCK
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 20:54:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ab689e7-e04d-5693-f899-d2d785b09892@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YlB3Z8fqJ+67a2Ck@google.com>

On 08.04.22 19:56, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2022, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, Chao Peng wrote:
>>>> Since page migration / swapping is not supported yet, MFD_INACCESSIBLE
>>>> memory behave like longterm pinned pages and thus should be accounted to
>>>> mm->pinned_vm and be restricted by RLIMIT_MEMLOCK.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>  mm/shmem.c | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>>>>  1 file changed, 24 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/mm/shmem.c b/mm/shmem.c
>>>> index 7b43e274c9a2..ae46fb96494b 100644
>>>> --- a/mm/shmem.c
>>>> +++ b/mm/shmem.c
>>>> @@ -915,14 +915,17 @@ static void notify_fallocate(struct inode *inode, pgoff_t start, pgoff_t end)
>>>>  static void notify_invalidate_page(struct inode *inode, struct folio *folio,
>>>>  				   pgoff_t start, pgoff_t end)
>>>>  {
>>>> -#ifdef CONFIG_MEMFILE_NOTIFIER
>>>>  	struct shmem_inode_info *info = SHMEM_I(inode);
>>>>  
>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_MEMFILE_NOTIFIER
>>>>  	start = max(start, folio->index);
>>>>  	end = min(end, folio->index + folio_nr_pages(folio));
>>>>  
>>>>  	memfile_notifier_invalidate(&info->memfile_notifiers, start, end);
>>>>  #endif
>>>> +
>>>> +	if (info->xflags & SHM_F_INACCESSIBLE)
>>>> +		atomic64_sub(end - start, &current->mm->pinned_vm);
>>>
>>> As Vishal's to-be-posted selftest discovered, this is broken as current->mm
>>> may be NULL.  Or it may be a completely different mm, e.g. AFAICT there's
>>> nothing that prevents a different process from punching hole in the shmem
>>> backing.
>>>
>>
>> How about just not charging the mm in the first place?  There’s precedent:
>> ramfs and hugetlbfs (at least sometimes — I’ve lost track of the current
>> status).
>>
>> In any case, for an administrator to try to assemble the various rlimits into
>> a coherent policy is, and always has been, quite messy. ISTM cgroup limits,
>> which can actually add across processes usefully, are much better.
>>
>> So, aside from the fact that these fds aren’t in a filesystem and are thus
>> available by default, I’m not convinced that this accounting is useful or
>> necessary.
>>
>> Maybe we could just have some switch require to enable creation of private
>> memory in the first place, and anyone who flips that switch without
>> configuring cgroups is subject to DoS.
> 
> I personally have no objection to that, and I'm 99% certain Google doesn't rely
> on RLIMIT_MEMLOCK.
> 

It's unnacceptable for distributions to have random unprivileged users
be able to allocate an unlimited amount of unmovable memory. And any
kind of these "switches" won't help a thing because the distribution
will have to enable them either way.

I raised in the past that accounting might be challenging, so it's no
surprise that something popped up now.

RLIMIT_MEMLOCK was the obvious candidate, but as we discovered int he
past already with secretmem, it's not 100% that good of a fit (unmovable
is worth than mlocked). But it gets the job done for now at least.

So I'm open for alternative to limit the amount of unmovable memory we
might allocate for user space, and then we could convert seretmem as well.

Random switches are not an option.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-08 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-10 14:08 [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:08 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:10   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:11     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-23  5:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-24  8:15     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-29 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 12:54     ` Chao Peng
     [not found]   ` <20220412143654.6313-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-04-13  6:47     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-10 23:08   ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-11  8:42     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:26   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:12     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-19 22:40   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:24     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] mm/shmem: Restrict MFD_INACCESSIBLE memory against RLIMIT_MEMLOCK Chao Peng
2022-04-07 16:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-07 17:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-08 17:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 18:54         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-04-12 14:36           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 21:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-13 16:30               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 16:24             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 17:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-25 14:07                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-08 13:02     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:34       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12  5:14         ` Hugh Dickins
2022-04-11 15:32     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:39       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:28         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-13  9:15           ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:21     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:46     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 17:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] KVM: Use kvm_userspace_memory_region_ext Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:58     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_ERROR exit Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:33   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:59     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] KVM: Use memfile_pfn_ops to obtain pfn for private pages Chao Peng
2022-03-28 23:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 14:07     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-28 12:37     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-29  1:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:10     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] KVM: Register private memslot to memory backing store Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:40     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] KVM: Zap existing KVM mappings when pages changed in the private fd Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:43     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-05 23:45   ` Michael Roth
2022-04-08  3:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-19 22:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:17     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] KVM: Expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:56     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-03-24 15:51 ` [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 17:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 18:00     ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 18:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-29 17:01         ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30  8:58           ` Steven Price
2022-03-30 10:39             ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30 17:58               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-31 16:04                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-01 14:59                   ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 17:14                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 18:03                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 18:24                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 19:56                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-04 15:01                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-04 17:06                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-04 22:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 10:36                             ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 17:51                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 18:30                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 18:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-06 13:05                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 18:03                               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 10:34                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-22 10:56                                 ` Chao Peng
2022-04-22 11:06                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-24  8:07                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-24 16:59                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 13:40                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-25 14:52                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 20:30                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10 19:18                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-10 19:27                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-28 12:29                                         ` Chao Peng
2022-05-03 11:12                                           ` Quentin Perret
2022-05-09 22:30                                   ` Michael Roth
2022-05-09 23:29                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 20:05                                       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-21 21:19                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 21:36                                           ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-23  3:09                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-07-25  9:19                                             ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-03-30 16:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 20:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-28 22:48   ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-03-29  0:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 21:35   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-12 13:00     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:58   ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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